Q about Deinterlacing DV

Hi fellow FCP users,
Is it normal to ALWAYS have to put a deinterlacing filter on your video before exporting to DVD?
I have been editing MiniDV and DVCAM video and I always have to put a deinterlacing filter (lower field for DV) on the final video when I am ready to burn it onto iDVD, otherwise I the video gets those zigzag line on moving objects. I have even stored FCP to the standard sequence settings but that didn't solve this issue.
Is it some other setting I have to fix in FCP so I don't have to do this anymore or could it be a setting on the actual camera when the video is shot?
I appreciate your help
Thank You

I shoot (Sony Z1) and edit in HDV. Recently, I had an opportunity to produce a couple of political spots for local television, formatted to DVCPRO SD, the format for the local broadcast affiliates, and delivered on SD miniDV. After I did the conversion, the interlacing in the spots was terrible. The video was terrible ("choppy") and the titles and gfx were almost unreadable. I tried numerous setups in FCP 2 to get clean, sharp, video. Nothing worked to any acceptable degree. I assume I'm setting up the conversion incorrectly since my spots are the only ones I'm seeing with serious interlacing. Anybody got any suggestions as to how to make the conversion from a finished HDV format to DVCPRO SD and getting a good, clean video? I've read thru a number of suggestions here, but nothing at this point is getting me acceptable results. The finished spots are exported directly to tape (Print To Tape in FCP6).

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First time editing a project with HD, and then burning it to Blu-ray

Hey there everyone.
*Newbie to HD editing alert.
I have two problems regarding HD editing/export.
I've been scouring the forums for several days, and I can't find a specific answer to what I need/want to know. Some things are understandable to a degree, and then there are things that seem way over my head.
(One thing, I've read about third-party programs like Cineform, and such, and was told that those programs aren't really necessary. So, if there's some way to stay away from them, I'd like your suggestions on that. However, if in the end, that's the way I need to go for this to work, then I guess I will have to go that route).
This is my first attempt at capturing and editing in HDV, so please excuse my ignorance if I refer to something in the wrong context.
My main goal:
To edit an HD wedding, shot with Sony FX-1 HD camera, and burn it to a Blu-ray disk.
Here is the computer system that I'm working with:
Dell Precision M6300; Intel Core 2 Duo T7700; 2.40 GHz 800Mhz; 4MB L2 Cache; Dual Core
Operating System: Windows XP PRO SP3;
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- Hard Drive: 200GB Free Fall Sensor Hard Drive 9.5MM, 7200RPM, Dell Mobile Precision MX300 Factory Install
- 8X DVD+/-RW, Data Only, Dell Precision M6300
- NTFS file system
I have been editing with Premiere Pro CS3 for the past year now.
I used a Sony FX-1 when capturing my footage.
I believe that I captured all the footage in HDV ok. (I made a new project and used the Load Preset of "HDV 1080i30(60i)"; and then captured all the footage thru CS3)
My clip properties (when highlighted in the Project Panel) say that the clip is: an mpeg; and 1440x1080 (1.333).
1. My first problem: I captured 4 clips (Clips 1-3 are 1 hour each; and Clip 4 is 16 mins long). When I place Clip 1 into the timeline . . . the only way I can describe how the audio plays in this clip is . . . the audio looks like it's looping the same 5 to 6 minutes of audio throughout the whole 1 hour clip. (ie: the video is one, long, flowing 1 hour of continuous video; but the audio connected to this same clip, seems to be playing the first 5 mins of the clip, and then repeats it at the 6th minute). You can 'visually' see this problem when you view the audio waveform in the timeline.
The other three clips have no problem with audio at all.
2. My second question is a bit more lengthy:
I wanted to run a test of burning a Blu-Ray of this project's raw footage, to see how the workflow would go after I've edited the wedding.
When I go to Export my timeline to Encore, on the Encoding Settings area, it seems to only let me use the Preset of NTSC Widescreen, with a 720x480 video. I don't see anywhere where it mentions that this project will be HD (which I thought would keep my 1440x1080 dimensions on export).
The Format and Range areas are greyed out; and I can only choose a few things off the Preset dropdown.
Am I missing a step? Or is this what will be exported, but once in Encore, it will be able to burn correctly on Blu-ray?
Again, please excuse my naivety in understanding and/or mis-speaking my problem.
Also on the Export Settings window, on the Output tab - should I check off 'Deinterlace' also? I've read and read about Interlace and Deinterlace, and I am confused as to "what to use when".
So my specific questions are:
1. Regarding the 'repetetive audio loop' on one of my clips - what could the problem be there?
Will it export OK? Or should I just recapture that one clip again?
2A. Do I Export to Encore directly, when I'm done with my timeline and want to go to burn the Blu-ray disk? Or do I need to make my timeline into 'one fluid file'?
2B. If I'm supposed to make a file of the timeline:
Am I supposed to be Exporting to Movie instead?
(When I tried that, my settings under 'Video' showed up as a greyed out area for Frame Size, locked at 720x480 wi

Continuation:
2B. If I'm supposed to make a file of the timeline:
Am I supposed to be Exporting to Movie instead?
(When I tried that, my settings under 'Video' showed up as a greyed out area for Frame Size, locked at 720x480 with a ratio at 4.3. I changed the Pixel Aspect Ratio to "D1/DV NTSC Widescreen 16:9 (1.2)" and the ratio that shows beside the greyed out Frame Rate area does change to 16:9. But the size is still locked at 720x480.
Shouldn't I be seeing 1440x1080 SOMEwhere along the export line? Or at least some sort of ratio that would pertain to HD?
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H.264;
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and Maximum Bitrate default of 40?;
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(I read all the information that Dan Isaacs posted about the "Premiere Pro HDV workflow Guide", but that was entirely too confusing to me right now, as a newbie to HDV, etc. I was going to attempt that way, but I ended up doing this post first).
In my meandering throughout the CS3 forum regarding SD, HD, HDV, etc etc, I have picked up alot of information regarding certain problems and situations. I may have all the info in my head, and I'm just applying it wrong; or, I'm missing something in the mix? I'm not sure what it is, but I seem to be having quite a problem doing what seems to be something that should be 'easy'.
I find this forum extremely helpful and understanding, so I'm looking to you all for help. I would appreciate any and all comments and suggestions!
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I too am having problems burning DVDs in iDVD. I have confirmed that the drive works Ok by creating a small project of a few slides in iMovie, and burning it successfully in iDVD.
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This is the most promising thread on the 34506 error for some time, but could do with some fleshing out...
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Sorry for the long post, but I hope someone can help!
Simon

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doug,
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abeas wrote:
My question is after I edit and export to compressor do I need to turn on frame controls at all?
Yeah, you probably don't need to worry about Deinterlacing with Frame Controls but, depending on your output frame size(s), you might need it for Resizing.
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Unsupported Codec - now re-exporting QT - harm to color space?

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Hello all,
So I have successfully ingested some test shots into fcp for a cousins wedding that i am shooting in a couple of weeks. The footage looks great once transcoded to apple pro res 422. I do have a few questions.
1) In the log and transfer window do I need to check remove pulldown? I though this was for progressive mode
2) Should I edit in a native 1440x1080i 29.97 sequence? then render and export that sequence?
3) Do I need to worry about deinterlacing issues?
I have monitored it out through my canopus and it looks terrible. Alot of jagged edges. I have tried the deinterlace filter. No go. I looks fine on my monitor though?
3) I will be mastering to SD/DVD
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then import that into studio pro? What is the best way to downconvert this final locked sequence?
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Anyone?
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I have also read in the Apple HD Users Manual that ALL AVCHD 5.1 surround sound will be DOWNMIXED to Stereo. Why they would do it is only they know! G H U !
Most Gurus very silent on this issue ... ignorance is bliss ... As the Silfen said (a long time back) Ozzie's lost to the pathways - don't let the glitter of mobility pale your thoughts of the solidity of the apps!
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Mixing progressive and interlaced in timeline.

I am video recording a pageant this weekend. I was planning on shooting my Panasonic Ag-HMC150 at 1080i60. My b-roll cam is a Canon Vixia HG21 which only shoots at 1080i60, so I figured I'd just go interlaced on Panasonic as well. I don't need a film look or anything, so the video look for this live pageant is fine for me. However, now I have a friend who will be shooting with me as well. He will be roaming on stage getting shots of the girls exiting/entering etc.. He is shooting on a 7D, which to my knowledge only shoots 1080p24/30. I do not want to go the 720 route with the Panasonic or 7D. I guess what I am asking is it ok to mix progressive and interlaced video in FCP? My sequence shooting my two cams interlaced will be Pro Res 422, upper field first, 1920x1080. I guess I am curious if anyone has mixed the two types of video together before. Maybe I should go 1080p30 on Panasonic to match the 7D and just worry about deinterlacing the video from the HG21, even though deinterlacing still won't make it progressive. Another thing I considered was I will be doing a lot of quick panning and zooming, so to me it made more sense to go 60i verses 30p, for smoother motion and reducing any chance of strobing at the lower frame rate.
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If I had the ability to test them before the event, I would, hence the question. I will not see him until Saturday when he shows up with his 7d, and my HMC150 is out being used for another project right now.
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It was a DV file in FCP then I exported as a Quicktime Self contained movie.
It is now called FCP Movie file with DV/DVCPRO-NTSC
When I open it with Compressor it shows this info as well: NTSC CCIR 601/DV
Also I am under the impression that the de-interlacing should be set to even, Yes?
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If my camcorder records in 1080i, will i have any problems exporting my movie in imovie as 1080p? I read something about interlacing or deinterlacing?

If my camcorder records in 1080i, will i have any problems exporting my movie in imovie as 1080p? I read something about interlacing or deinterlacing?
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For 1080p via iMovie '11, just remember to optimize video for “Full – Original Size”.
The latest Apple TV supports HD.
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In another thread I printed the results of 2 test slideshows - one made in FCE and the other in iDVD. They were both burned on the same DVD using Best Quality.
I couldn't see any quality differences other than the FCE slideshow exhibited more interlacing flicker on certain slides.
I had not used a TV monitor but if I had, I would have been able to use the Deinterlace Filter to eradicate it.
I then realised that iDVD has no such filter, nor can you preview your project on a TV.
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Usually only a few photos display flicker and it can only be spotted when you get it in FCE.
This means you either give every slide some blur before importing or find out which ones are affected after they are in FCE and blur those in Photoshop.
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I opened the source files in Photoshop and altered the one that FCE showed was dodgy.
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The instructions are obviously written by experts for experts.
Quite simply I have made a slide show in iMovie using jpeg photos. Some of them show the classic interlace shimmer when played on a TV. (My system is PAL). I just want to deinterlace the video and export it back to my mini-DV camera.
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Ian.

Thanks Sue.
However, it only seems to deal with converting NTSC to PAL etc. and not a simple deinterlace.
I have been doing a bit of fiddling around and banging my head and have come up with what MIGHT be the correct method of use.
1. In the Project Pane choose Deinterlace and leave everything else in its default state.
2. In the Input Pane choose the iMovie movie I want to deinterlace and leave everything else in its default state (except for maybe selecting "Remove jaggies").
3. Ignore the Colour Pane.
4. In the Output Pane choose a suitable title for the deinterlaced movie and change the Compressor Panel - "Direct" from the default "DV-NTSC" to "DV-PAL". Leave everything else on that panel alone.
5. Press OK and wait for the movie to be converted.
Have I got it right? Is that how to use it?
If it isn't I would value the advice of someone who can tell me how I should be configuring the panes etc.
Ian.

What type of deinterlacing does Apple use when exporting interlaced to QTM

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For those who don't know what I'm talking about it concerns video that has been recorded for playback on a TV and each frame only holds half the information and needs to be meshed together or one of several techniques for it to play back on your computer monitor without leaving artifacts or horizontal lines around the edges of moving objects. No technique so far is perfect and I wonder which one apple chose because it doesn't give you any information on it.
Thanks
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