Query regarding delayed block cleanout

Hi,
I have a question regarding delayed block clean-out in Oracle.
I have read below from meta link note: 40689.1
Consider a transaction that updates a million row table. This obviously visits a large number of database blocks to make the change to the data.
When the user commits the transaction Oracle does NOT go back and revisit these blocks to make the change permanent. It is left for the next
transaction that visits any block affected by the update to 'tidy up' the block (hence the term 'delayed block clean out').
But the rollback segment transaction table slot can be recycled once it is marked as committed.
So if any new transaction tries to visit a block affected by last update and figures out this block is changed and goes to corresponding rollback segment transaction table slot, but that that rollback segment transaction table slot is recycled because of commit.
So how Oracle will handle this situation?
Thanks in advance.

What makes you think that the changed data will be in rollback segment? Rollback segement contains the previous image of data. According to my understanding this should be in the Redo logs.
So if any new transaction tries to visit a block affected by last update and figures out this block is changed and goes to corresponding rollback segment transaction table slot, but that that rollback segment transaction table slot is recycled because of commit.
This should go to the Redo & DBWR process should write all the dirty blocks to disc consequently.
Regards,

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Thanks for explaning it in simple way....
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So how does B1 gets altered ?
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See 'Block Cleanout / Delayed Block Cleanout:' in this article by Oracle ACE director and noted author Jonathan Lewis.
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==========================
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b) In case 2, we have a non-static function, synchronized on a static object. Here, again if obj1, and obj2 happen to call the function at the same time, obj1 will try to obtain lock for obj1.a; while obj2 will try to obtain lock for obj2.a.obj1/2 don't call methods or try to obtain locks. The two different threads do that. And you mean First.b, not obj1.b and obj2.b, but see also below.
d) In case 4, we have a static function, synchronized on a static object. Here, again if obj1, and obj2 happen to call the function at the same time, obj1 will try to obtain lock for obj1.a; while obj2 will try to obtain lock for obj2.a.Again, obj1/2 don't call methods or try to obtain locks. The two different threads do that. And again, you mean First.b. obj1.b and obj2.b are the same as First.b. Does that make it clearer?
Now, I have a query : what happens if the call is made in a classically static manner, i.e. using the statement "First.func_four;".That's what happens in any case whether you write obj1.func_four(), obj2.func)four(), or First.func_four(). All these are identical when func_four(0 is static.
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and again obj1 trying to obtain lock for obj1.aYou mean obj2 and First.b, but obj2 doesn't obtain the lock, the thread does.
which are the same locks. So, if obj1.a of the first thread obtains the lock, then it will enter the function no-doubt, but the call from the second thread will also succeed.Of course it won't. Your reasoning here makes zero sense..Once First.b is locked it is locked. End of story.
Thus, effectively, our synchronisation is broken.No it isn't. The second thread will wait on the same First.b object that the first thread has locked.
However in any case you have a much bigger problem here. You're autoboxing your local 'int' variable to a possibly brand-new Integer object every call, so there may be no synchronization at all.
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