Question about changing frame rate from PAL to NTSC

Hi,
Usually, I would use JES Deinterlacer for changing the 25 fps of PAL into 29.97 NTSC.
Recently I've started shooting with Sony's EX-3, full HD (in PAL mode)
If I'm using JES Deinterlacer, the resolution would drop from 1920x1080 to 720x480 (adding 2 black rectangles to keep the 16:9 ratio)
With the 720x480 res I would need to choose 4:3 aspect in iDVD.
I'm somewhat confused here...Can I keep the original resolution of 1920x1080 and just use another software for changing the frame rate...then burn it with iDVD in widescreen 16:9? Is there anything like JES for that? Or does NTSC DVD means always 720x480?
Thanks a lot!
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You could try doing it in compressor>advanced format conversions. Personally I like taking it to a terranex, but I also have had GREAT success with Graeme Nattress's standards converter. You can google it, or search this forum for a link. It's cheap, only a hundred bucks or so.
1. Convert the footage pal to ntsc, no frame size change
2. Open compressor and select the appropriate setting for the length of your video. And also add the dolby audio setting. Don't forget the anamorphic settings noted above.
3. I don't remember anything at all about idvd, haven't used it since DVDSP came out. DVDSP allows you a whole host of display parameters and infinite customization for your projects. It'll only take you a couple of hours to figure it out, and those are hours well spent.

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Change frame rate from 23.976 to 24

Hi all,
I have a Quicktime render of a project I made a few months ago that was originally created at 23.976 FPS.
I now need to prepare this Quicktime render for digital projection in a movie theater -- the file I need to give my client has to be 24 FPS progressive.
I'd like to try and convert my Quicktime and audio without going back to the project itself, as this is a complex project and would take a really long time to re-render at 24 FPS.
Can anyone recommend the best method to convert my 23.976 Quicktime movie? Are there specialty plug-ins I should look into?
Thanks so much!
Dan

Digital projectors will pretty much playback what is sent to them. The pitch change and motion difference between 23.976 and 24 is undetectable as far as audio goes and a frame is a frame.
If it really must be 24, and I'd check the specs carefully for the theater because the standard in the us is 23.976, then you could convert it with QuickTime Pro, Adobe Media Encoder, or any other encoding software.
If your original is highly compressed h.264 or other MPEG stream I would suggest re-rendering the project in AE. There will be a significant quality loss if you recompress an MPEG stream.
To change the project in AE from 23.976 to 24 and maintain frame accurate sync all you have to do is change the comp settings and change the interpretation of the footage from 23.976 to 24. If you are using a separate audio track and the project is more than 10 minutes long you may have other audio issues but under 10 minutes there's not going to be much of an audio sync problem. If the audio is in a video track then there is usually no problem and the pitch change is insignificant. There usually is no need to adjust any of the keyframes.

Frame rates, judder, PAL and NTSC - expert advice needed please!

I have an NTSC high def camcorder. Because I live in England, I would prefer to make PAL DVDs from my home movies, if possible. My camera (Canon HF100) is AVCHD, and I thought this meant that once imported into iMovie, it was not 'true' NTSC. Have I misunderstood this? The reason I ask is that my recent iMovie 08 edits view perfectly on my Mac, but are slightly juddery when burned to a PAL DVD.
I have read on this forum about framerates, but I'm hoping the problem is still surmountable somehow. When I imported my footage into my Mac, I selected PAL even at that early stage, and all seemed to be well throughout the edit. The pictures and sound are perfectly synchronised, which I had heard could be a problem when moving between NTSC and PAL.
Do I really just have to go with NTSC all the way? Quite apart from its reputation for being Never Twice the Same Colour, it's not ideal if you're living in Europe because most TVs and DVD players are PAL.

the video standard conversion is no trivial task, a lot more than 'just' down-cascading 29.97 fps to 25fps (aside the 'unround' math, you have to convert resolution, color-schemes, etc) ... so, by any route it is IS a lossy process in terms of quality, or you use some 50k$ hardware
If your TV/DVD player supports it - stay NTSC ...
another route, I suggest when using iMHD6, is an export as dv-stream (NTSC) and using teh free app JES Deinterlacer for converting into dv-stream (PAL) ... JESDI does a better job, imho.
but...
the export as dv from within iM08 is again a lossy process, as we discussed early here at the boards.. so, you double the lossy process = no good idea.
stay NTSC...

Can i change my settings from PAL to NTSC Whenever i need to

good morning
have just moved onto iMac from windows system and i have a disc which i copied for a relative in canada who as now mislaid this disc which i need to recopy from a disc which is set up for NTSC but my iMac is using PAL as i live in the uk.
can i reset the iMac back to NTSC so as i can make a copy for the north american market.
regards nev robinson

hi
sorry about the delay in replying as i have been away ,yes your answer solved my problem
thank you
regards
nev robinson

Audio out of sync after changing frame rate

Hello
I just changed frame rate from 23.976fps to 24fps inside sequence setting, and the audio is out of sync in timeline. I can certainly manually right click mouse and choose slip into sync, but it's a tedious job. Anyone knows why and quick solution?
Thanks
Richard
ps I use 2014.2 latest version

>Frame rate mode : Variable
No version of Premiere does "well" with Variable Frame Rate
Below is about iphone, but may help
Some people find that Iphone won't edit easily because it uses a variable frame rate
- A possible fix in message #22 http://forums.adobe.com/thread/934466

Changing an existing DVD from PAL to NTSC

I have just created, and burned, a DVD in iDVD 7.0.4 in my default setting of PAL.
Now I want to print one in NTSC format. I went to Project Information and changed the setting from PAL to NTSC, read the warning given that it would rerender my assets, and clicked OK. I waited for something to happen, and when nothing did, I tried to burn the DVD, assuming it had changed what was necessary. I got the message 'You are burning a PAL movie to an NTSC disc. Do you want to proceed?' I'm using the same discs I always do: DVD-R. I've made no change. Can anyone help, please? I'm on an iMac running Snow Leopard. Many thanks.

Thank you! In desperation, I tried just that. I opened a new iDVD project, set it for NTSC, and imported the movie I wanted to burn from iMovie (where I made it in the first place). I've just burned the new disc and I can't view it on my screen - which is promising. Does this tell me that it's worked - that I've produced an NTSC video??!

What's the cleanest workflow from PAL to NTSC?

Hi. I'm shooting in Iceland and editing in the States. Can anyone make a recommendation about the cleanest workflow from PAL to NTSC? I'll be shooting with an HD camera. Thanks!

What kind of HD?
There are about 6 million flavors - some really are HD, others use the term more as a marketing gimmick.
Why not just hire a camera that shoots the format and frame rate that you will be editing with? Granted, it might be difficult to find a camera compatible with US standards in Iceland, after all there are only 320 000 people living there. Plenty of rental places in the US though.
The cleanest workflow from PAL to NTSC is by using facility with a hardware converter such as those from Teranex or Snell & Wilcox. You will get a professional standards conversion engineer thrown in but the price will far outweigh what you will pay to hire a camera.
Other options, depending on what kind of quality is acceptable to you:
Compressor - You already have it. Will give you very good results but take a long time to process.
Natress Standards Conversion: $100. Will give you very good results but take a long time to process.
JES Deinterlacer: Free. Will give you decent results but take a long time to process.

How do I output the smoothest video when changing or mixing frame rates from the original footage?

I have been experimenting with various Media Encoder settings, and wondered if there was anything else I can try to get the smoothest video output possible, especially when changing frame rate and possibly resolution. For clarification, let me start from the beginning and explain what I'm doing and what I've tried so far. I'll try to be as brief as possible, but if I do go into too much detail, I apologize.
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1. I created a sequence with 1080p - 59.94fps settings to match my original footage. I then output both 1080p and 720p versions at 59.94fps, and at 29.97fps. The 59.94fps output files looked absolutely great, as would be expected. Extremely smooth. The 29.97fps output files were generally smooth, but not near as smooth as the 59.94fps. This is expected since it's half the frame rate as my original footage. However, my question is this: What exactly is Media Encoder doing when "down converting" from 60p to 30p? From a technical stand point, is it dropping every other frame? I'm just curious to understand exactly what it does. I tried the Frame Blending option as well, and that only yielded a bit more blur to the images which wasn't desirable for any of the output files.
2. Just to see what would happen, I created a sequence with 1080p - 29.97 settings. I then output both 1080p and 720p versions at 29.97fps. The video was much more choppy in these cases, even with Frame Blending on. Now, I know not matching my sequence settings with my original media isn't ideal, but I again just want to understand why this yields less smooth video than the 29.97fps options above. Why does cutting the sequence settings frame rate in half from the original, then outputting the same frame rate as the sequence yield video that is not as smooth?
3. Next, I wanted to try mixing frame rates to see how Premiere and Media Encoder handled the footage and output files. Premiere handled it great, no issues there. However, I had some interesting things happen when I output the files. Here's what I did: I created a sequence with 1080p - 59.94fps to match my original footage. Then I took the same exact footage that was in my sequence, copied it in my project panel and interpreted it at both 23.976 and 29.97 fps, yielding slow motion video. The slow motion video looked great in Premiere, so I went ahead and just added it to my sequences, along with the original 59.94 footage. I also created separate sequences for the 29.97 and 23.976 footage respectively, each with matching sequence settings, then added a nested sequence to another original footage sequence (with 59.94fps sequence settings) to see which yielded the best results. Basically, I'm trying to output 59.94fps that match my original footage, but also throw in some slow motion footage at different framerates. I'll explain my results in a moment as they are a bit convoluted, however, here is my question: When mixing frame rates and trying to output the smoothest video, am I going about this the right way? I would assume you would use your sequence settings that match the original footage (which is what the majority of the footage will be), then bring in a nested sequence for the slow motion (as oppose to just dropping the slow motion video directly into my main sequence), and then output to the same frame rate of the majority of the footage, in this case 59.94fps. Is there a better workflow for this?
The results to #3 above were as follows. Initially, it looked like it didn't matter if I nested the slow motion sequence into my main sequence, or simply dropped the actual slow motion video into my original 59.94fps sequence. It seemed to produce smooth results either way. Frame Blending blurred the video a bit, but didn't seem to make much difference, and quite honestly I like the footage without Frame Blending in general. However, when I closed down Premiere, and opened the output files later (opening in Quicktime), the footage looked choppy. In fact, it would go from choppy to smooth and back, almost like it had an irregular cadence (don't know if I'm using "cadence" in the right context here). I would then open up Premiere again, import the output footage into my project panel, and play the footage in Premiere, and it would play back smooth again. Is this a Quicktime issue? I was playing 1080p 59.94fps files when this happened, so maybe it's just because it's a large file. Doesn't seem to have issues with the 720p files I created. But it sure threw me off with my testing because I then started second guessing the settings I was using. My iMac is the latest 2011 model with plenty of RAM, so I wouldn't think it's the computer. Thoughts?
4. Next, I noticed on ALL my output files (again, using the H.264 codec from Media Encoder) that the color of my video seemed to flatten quite a bit. It seems that the original footage has more contrast and saturation than the output files. I figured maybe this was just how it was, but when I re-imported the output files back into Premiere, they looked IDENTICAL to the original footage. And in Media Encoder's Source/Output windows, I don't see any difference there either. Is Quicktime again the culprit here, doing some odd things to the color of my videos?
5. Regarding Frame Blending, when is the best situation to enable this option in Media Encoder? I've read it is when mixing frame rates, but I honestly didn't see too much of a change except for a bit more blur, which I didn't care for.
6. Lastly, my conclusion is that 60fps yields the smoothest video, which is an obvious conclusion. However, I know that 60fps isn't the best or easiet frame rate for web delivery. It seems 30p is more the standard. Are there any integrated web players that would play 60fps? Can you get 60fps video on YouTube/Vimeo? If yes to any of these questions, can they do 720p and 1080p at 60fps?
Those are all my questions. I hope I am clear enough without being overly wordy and hopefully I didn't put too many questions into one post. Thanks in advance for any insight, I really appreciate it.

Did you ever figure out which output worked the best? I have the same original footage; trying to determine the best output settings to make a dvd for tv.
thanks!

Changing frame rate when exporting from iMovie '09 using quicktime has no impact on duration. Why?

Changing frame rate when exporting from iMovie '09 using quicktime has no impact on duration. Why?
I have a file created by digitizing an 8mm film at a rate of 24 fps. I would like to create a downloaded movie at a frame rate of 15 fps. The Export using Quicktime option seems to provide that capability but the resulting file has the same duration as the original 24 fps file. How can I get the exported movie to be slowed down?

joegez,
There is a feature you can use to slow down the video. In the project, move the mouse pointer over the clip, then click the gear icon. That brings up the Inspector. Click the Clip tab. Then you will see a feature there called Speed. Move the slider to the left to slow down the clip. Or you can enter a percentage in the box on the right.
Hope this solves the problem for you.

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this is two nuances that does not suffice me.
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For dimension changing use something like this (is a part of a bash script for video edition so ...) :
# Le quitamos el over-scan al ancho. OJO!! debe seguir siendo MULTIPLO de OCHO
WIDTH_SCALED=$(($OUTPUT_V_WIDTH-$OUTPUT_OVS*8)) #multiplicamos el overscan por 8(4 pixeles a cada lado)
# Obtenemos relacion de aspecto de forma mas precisa
if [ "$OUTPUT_V_ASPECT" == "1.7777" ]; then # formato panoramico
ASPECT_PRECISE=`echo "16/9"| bc -l`
else
ASPECT_PRECISE=`echo "4/3"| bc -l` # y el formato normal
fi
HEIGHT_SCALED=`echo "(${INPUT_V_HEIGHT}*${OUTPUT_V_HEIGHT}*${ASPECT_PRECISE})/${INPUT_V_WIDTH}"| bc -l`
# Necesito que el alto sea MULTIPLO DE CUATRO para que la longitud del PADDING sea PAR y simplificar el codigo... introduzco un error de 3.999999 pixels (en el peor de los casos)
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OUTPUT_V_PAD_HEIGHT=`echo "scale=0 ; ($OUTPUT_V_HEIGHT-$HEIGHT_SCALED)/2"| bc -l`
Don't bother about the comments . Is spanish .
What you want is :
HEIGHT_SCALED=`echo "(${INPUT_V_HEIGHT}*${OUTPUT_V_HEIGHT}*${ASPECT_PRECISE})/${INPUT_V_WIDTH}"| bc -l`
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I am about to start post on a short film shot on the mark II. I am going to convert the footage to ProRes. The director wants the "film" look. Can I change the frame rate from 30p to 24p in compressor? Are there any key settings I should know about?

There are lot of different ways to go about it, all have mixed results, and there is no way you'll get flawless results. However, here's a few ways to try:
A) Conform to 23.98, using Cinema Tools - You'll be slowing down the footage, so this is no good if you have on-set dialogue recording you're going to keep and need lip sync. If you weren't going to use any on-set audio and doing all dialogue and FX replacement, it wouldn't matter. This is also effective for music videos - just speed up the audio playback while shooting, and when you slow the video down in post, it'll match.
B) Use retiming in Compressor - I believe this uses some advanced frame blending and optical flow - I've had decent results with this method, but you can end up with some artifacts on high motion material.
C) Use Twixtor within FCP or Adobe After Effects. This has been my preferred method for surgical speed manipulation. It's time consuming and just like method B, you'll get artifacts on high motion material.
What you definitely do NOT want to do is drop your 30p footage into a 24p timeline. The motion will be horribly stuttery. Similarly, don't try to just use frame blending to achieve the frame rate conversion - it's not very impressive to see frame blending all over everything.
You're best results will come from having low motion footage. Interviews, head shots, etc. work great. If you're doing a lot of action, I'd advise against trying to convert using anything but method A. If you can get your hands on the 7D, you can shoot 24p natively.

I want to play video on my computer to make some analysis to frames,the problem that I face ,I can't change video frame rate using labview,but I can change frame rate to the video out of labview using some program

HI All
I want to play video on my computer to make some analysis to it's frames,the problem that I face ,I can't change video frame rate using labview,but I can change frame rate to the video out of labview using some program .
I used IMAQ AVI Read Frame VI
for example I have avi video It's frame rate is 25 fbs ,my image processing code is very fast that can process more 25 fbs,so I want to accelerate video acquisition

Hi abdelhady,
I looked into this further, and reading an AVI file into LabVIEW faster than its frames per second won't be possible. LabVIEW could read in frames faster than 25fps, but because it will be pulling the available frame at that point in time this would just give you duplicate frames. If you want to be able to read in frames at faster than 25fps, you would need to speed up your AVI file before reading into LabVIEW.
There's a good shipping example to show how to read in from an AVI file, "Read AVI File.vi". You'll notice that they add timing to make sure that the while loop runs at the right speed to match up with the frames per second of the file being read. This is to make sure you're not reading duplicate frames.
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Transcoding clip from PAL to NTSC

Hi, just my second discussion post so sorry if this question has been answered a zillion times before.
I need to buy a short stock footage clip that was shot in PAL DV (Standard Definition) at 720 x 576 @ 25 frames per second. I want to transcode to NTSC DV 720 x 480 @ 29.97 fps in PE 4 (by importing into a project and rendering it). Then I will use that transcoded clip in my project.
Before I buy this clip, I thought I'd ask if I can expect reasonable quality or if there are any things to watch out for. I'm assuming I can do what I describe above.
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The conversion from PAL to NTSC can be a tough one, even with professional level software, Steve. As you indicated, it means not only changing the frame size (and pixel dimension) but also changing the frame rate -- which can often result in jiggliness.
Although officially possible, it's usually a pretty ugly transition. I don't know how much you're paying for this piece, but it might be worth challenging your provider to give it to you in acceptable NTSC format before you lay out the money.

G_converter from PAL to NTSC

Does anyone know the time frame to render for G_converter?
I render a 2hr show from PAL to NTSC & it takes 33hrs. Is this the correct #?
thankx
JP
Dual G5, 3GB memory, BlackMagic SDI card,dual Apple cinema 23 Mac OS X (10.4.2)

Sounds about right......what is the speed of your processor?
It took 25 seconds to render a 3 second clip...on a G4 dual 1.25. That is about 7.1 times as long as the clip. But depending on other factors, like what other filters you have on the cips, can make the render longer.
Shane
"There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here!"

I want to convert a movie that I've created in iMovie from PAL to NTSC.

I've created a large movie using PAL but now want to convert it to NTSC to send to my family in Canada. It took ages to create. Is there an easy way of doing the conversion? I don't want to have to do it all again.

Hi
A. Using iMovie'08 to 11 - Will not give 100% result - as You want interlaced SD-Video = NTSC
B. Converting from PAL to NTSC - is Never 100% loss free - but You lose a bit
I use iMovie HD6 or FinalCut - as they can deliver 100% over to program that converts.
• iMovie and iDVD can convert - BUT RESULT WILL BE Very POOOOR.
My notes on How I do it
PAL to NTSC or NTSC to PAL
A. Copying commercial DVDs - No Not possibly at all - Not even legal to discuss.
B. Home made DVDs (DVDs without copy protection)
C. Movies from iMovie or FinalCut
• Save as full quality QuickTime .mov and convert this with JES_Deinterlacer (free on Internet)
NTSC ---> PAL.
• Most often not necessary - Most stand alone PAL DVD-players playback NTSC
(if TV is old in BL/W)
PAL ---> NTSC.
• If played on Mac - not necessary AT ALL
• If on NTSC DVD-player - CONVERSION IS NEEDED - nearly no Stand alone NTSC-DVD-players
playback PAL at all.
To do this You need to convert the PAL DVD to streaming.DV or full quality QuickTime .mov
• I use Roxio Toast™ to do this (There are no free converter)
• JES_Deinterlacer (free on Internet) to convert to NTSC
• Set up an NTSC project (29.97fps or 30) in iDVD and import then burn
I burn to
• Verbatim DVD-R
• Set down burn speed in iDVD to x1 or x4 recommended by many
• Secure a minimum of 25Gb free space on internal boot hard disk before burning (IMPORTANT)
PAL is 25 fps and an analog TV standard of 625 lines
NTSC is 29.97 fps and 520 lines
NTSC (29.97fps) 520 lines - about 640x480 pixels (square) 720x480 rectangular (narrow) pixels
PAL (25 fps) 625 lines - about 768x576 pixels (square) 720x576 rectangular (narrow) pixels
to use a photo 702x480 resp 576 then add 9 pixels on each side to add together as 720
If iDVD hangs on PAL or NTSC.
Bengt W wrote
Deleting iDVD pref. file - should return You into NTSC mode.
Yes iDVD can switch to PAL - BUT as You see with a rather lousy result.
a. Need to convert to PAL - most often not - Most PAL-player can playback NTSC
and on a fairly new TV in color. (old TV in Bl/W)
(Other way around - from PAL to NTSC most often a must - few NTSC-player can use PAL)
b. IF MUST - then use JES_Deinterlacer to do this conversion - so much better and free.
My list on this (or rather PAL --> NTSC - just think the other way around)
I have to send it overseas
That too can be a problem. As USA = NTSC = 29.97fps and EU = PAL = 25fps.
DO Not let iMovie or iDVD do this conversion from one to the other - Result will be Very
BAD
I save the movie as a full quality QuickTime .mov file then I use JES_Deinterlacer to do the conversion - then I cont. in iMovie or iDVD with project set accordingly.
JES_Deinterlacer is free on Internet and there are Pro applications but not that much better and costs are astronomical.
PAL-DVDs - don't play in US
NTSC-DVDs - usually plays well in EU
All plays well on a Mac - What ever.
Allosaurus writes
Thank you SDMacuser. I dumped all the plist icons with no result, and was getting pretty plist off when it occurred to me to delete all the previous dvd.proj files. Bingo. That did the trick. So thank you for all your help and the additional information you provided.
Yours Bengt W

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