Real Time Module, upgrading Labview 6.02 Base Development System?

Hi,
I have Labview 6.02 Base Development System but I need the Real Time module.
Would it be possible to get it upgrading the Labview 6.02? Is the full development systemm needed?
Which could be the cheapest way to get Real Time module?
Thanks.

You can upgrade to the latest version of LabVIEW Real-Time version 7.1 by upgrading both LabVIEW and LabVIEW Real-Time. You can all about the new features of LabVIEW Real-Time at the following link. For more information, please contact us at .
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centerbolt is correct, you can't load a .exe or even run a program on the fieldPoint controller unless you have the Real Time module. However, that does not mean you can't use your FieldPoint bank without the Real Time module.
From LabVIEW for windows you can make calls to the fieldpoint IO using the fieldpoint read/write functions.
This program runs on the PC not the FieldPoint controller. If you loose network connection to the fieldpoint, your program will loose connection to the IO. For many data logging applications this type of arrangement can work just fine. However, if this is the only type of application you are ever going to run, then you may as well not buy the Real Time controller for your fieldpoint but the network controller only.
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Is Ardence RTX required when I use PCI-7831R with labview real-time module for RTX target

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My name is Michele Ciampichetti, I'm writing from Italy.
Frist of all, excuse for my english.
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Is real time module necessary?

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