Rebate basis

Dear All,
1)For rebate processing, rebate basis step maintained in pricing procedure with subtotal 7. I would like to know whether this step is necessary to calculate for rebate processing.( I think the function of rebate basis step is, it subtracts all discounts from pricing condition type. if this view differs please correct me)
2) If i want to claculate basis for rebate from two different condition types in the same pricing procedure based on incoterms, how can i acheive the same.
Fo eg. PR00 & PB00 ocndition type i have in Pprocedure and based on incoterm1 i need to calculate rebate basis from PR00 and based on icoterm2 rebate basis from PB00.
4) I am able to create more than one rebate agreements for the same customer for the same validity period. Will this create any discrepancy in the system?
Please advise.
Thanks & regards,
Deepu Pillai

Hi,
1)For rebate processing, rebate basis step maintained in pricing procedure with subtotal 7. I would like to know whether this step is necessary to calculate for rebate processing.( I think the function of rebate basis step is, it subtracts all discounts from pricing condition type. if this view differs please correct me)
Yes if you maintain the Rebate basis step you need to maintain the step with subtotal field 7 as it is. If you are not interested in maintaining subtotal field and rebate basis step, then you need to maintain the From field for all rebate condition types.
2) If i want to calculate basis for rebate from two different condition types in the same pricing procedure based on incoterms, how can i achieve the same.
Fo eg. PR00 & PB00 condition type i have in P procedure and based on incoterm1 i need to calculate rebate basis from PR00 and based on icoterm2 rebate basis from PB00.
we can have only one condition type (PR00 or PB00) executed in a sales order. In order to achieve your requirement copy the requirement 24 and add a logic to check the inco terms and calculate the rebates.
4) I am able to create more than one rebate agreements for the same customer for the same validity period. Will this create any discrepancy in the system?
Yes, you can have more than one rebate agreement for one customer for the same valid period. Here system will calculate the rebates from both the condition records and customer will be given more rebates. We will not have any discrepancy in the system. We are using it now.
Hope this will answer your querry,
Venkat Cheedalla.

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Hi
Rebate conditions comes into effect only when you will create a Billing document, you can not find them in Sales order.
THis beacuse of "Requirement 24" assigned to the Rebate condition types in the Pricing Procedure.
It is logical also.
Suppose, you are working with Material Rebate.
Customer has ordered for 100 units, but subsequently he has requested you do deliver only 50 units with reference to his order.
So, you will bill him for 50 units only.
Now, if you have set the Rebate on Sales order, then system will calculate the Rebate accrual on Sales order quantity, which is wrong.
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That is why in SAP, it has been set like this.
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- Payer
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Beside this , your Sold-to-party and Payer may be different, whereas you have made the condition record for Sold-to-party and Sales order combination.
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we have a pricing procedure as follows. my question is specific to rebate basis
step 10 PR00
step 20 total value
step30 rebate basis............. in this step 30 there is no step number in "from and "to" column" and there is no routine in alt cal type and alt cond base value. only thing is 7in sub to field (carry over value to KOMP-BONBA).
step 180 ZT61 (customer rebate).........in this step in the "from" column.. step 30 is mentioned and 24 in requirement column and nothing else in other column (i.e. alt cal type and alt cond base vlaue is empty)
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sachin

When there is no From and To , Step 30 will consider 0 to 29. So it will check for all Active (Non statistical / Non Excluded) Price / Discount types and get the final cumulative value and keeps that value in Step 30. The sub total KOMBA is reserved for rebate basis for SAP. After Step 30 there might be other conditions , which should not be considred for calculating the rebate basis.
So at step 180, the rebate condition is provided the base price as step 30 and the discount / rebate amount will be calculated based on this value.
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Hi All,
I need to know only functional way (cant use update in pricing routine due to issues in business approvals) to tackle following Rebate requirement.
Background of issue:
User has created credit memo because the logistic discount was not correctly invoiced.
However in this case the Rebate Accrual got reduced
Reason:
System must have thought that total amount of cases was returned physically and thatu2019s why rebate accruals are reduced).
This is not correct because the Materials are not returned. The materials are still with the customer. Hence the rebate accruals should not be reduced in this case. The credit note is only written because of price differences and not because of returns.
Example: to understand the issue better:
Suppose we have Invoice with 100 CV and an invoice value of 100 u20AC.
Rebate 1.) Shows an amount of 100 u20AC * 4% = 4 u20AC accruals
Rebate 2.) Shows an amount of 100 CV * 0,20 u20AC = 20 u20AC
Now we came to know that the 100 u20AC net invoice was wrong because of a wrong on-invoice discount. Hence the invoice should not be 100 u20AC, but 80 u20AC. However the 100 CV still remain (NO CHANGE IN QTY).
The credit note should affect the rebates in the following way:
Rebate 1.) Should show after the credit note: 80 u20AC * 4% = 3,20 e accruals
Rebate 2.) Remains 20 u20AC accruals (100 CV * 0,20 u20AC)
Requirement:
We want that whenever credit notes are issued which that just price related (e.g. wrong logistic discount) and which do not have a material movement, the Qty-related rebate conditions should not be affected in that invoice.
This requirement must have been used/tackled in all projects where rebate functionally is used.
If anybody has still some confusion in understanding the requirement please let me know so that I can discuss it over the phone.
With Regards,
Tushar Gawande

Hello,
actually the rebate basis can be updated for the quantity scale and/or value scale based on the document category assigned to the sales document type in customizing.
I mean that except if you configured differently, actually are used the standard program for rebate calculation and settlement. Using the standard, a key field is the document category of the document type in customizing (table TVAK field VBTYP).
For the below list of standard document category:
A Inquiry
B Quotation
C Order
D Item proposal
E Scheduling agreement
F Scheduling agreement with external service
G Contract
H Returns
I Order w/o charge
K Credit memo request
L Debit memo request
W Independent reqts plan
0 Master contract
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If I understand properly, in your case when the user adjust the price via credit note, once posted to accounting, the reflect in the R.A. was in both direction: update of both quantity and value.
Personal feeling is that the document type used to adjust the price was not correct and that this document type (as per customizing) is configured to reduce both: quantity and value.
Did you check the customizing of the document type used to adjust the wrong discount?
Which category did you find?
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VB(8 list rebates; this report lists the rebates in the selected range and you can drill in...Even after drill in this list does not include settlements or manual accruals and so does not reprent the balance? Any thoughts or experience with this issue?
a further question;
when you have several hundred, is there a report or list that shows the open balance of each rebate with out drilling into each rebate number?
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Have you tried the following :-
Compare Rebate Basis: Billing Documents Versus Statistics
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Comparison of the Rebate Basis and Accrual Corrections
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we go to VBO2 to make payment to agreement XXXYY but we get an error message saying "error creating rebate credit memo" then another error message saying "settlement can't be done for a condition without a condition base value"
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There are 3 things you have to check.
A) remove the credit memo block, by default it is blocked and you have to set the drop down to blank. Also once you are past that stage,
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This query is related to rebate conditions. At present the rebate base is calculated from the subtotal, that is Basic price - discount(The subtotal 7 is assigend to the step 300).
As per the requirement from the business, the rebate should be calculated from the 'Basic Price'. They don't want the discount value should be considered in the rebate calculation. I explained them regarding the burden which company has to bear, but the business still want to go with the changes.
My plan is to create another step in the pricicng procedure right after the basic price and assign subtotal 7 to it and delete the exting reabte subtotal step, and assign the new step number to rebate conditions, so the reabte will be calculated based on this.
My questions are:-
1. Can I edit the existing pricing procedure to make these changes?
2) Will there be any impact on the existing rebate agreements (open) and its settlements on a later date?
3) Will there be any impact on the process of billing of open sales orders/deliveries (not billed) after the change in pricing procedure?
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Hi Ivano,
Thnak you very much for your suggestion.
As the note says, the best way is to copy the existing pricing procedure and create another and assign it in OVKK.
Will there be any effect for partially billed delivery items? (at the time of creation of billing document for the unbilled items in the delivery)
OR
when we create a billing document from the delivery (in the case of sales order and delivery created with old pricing procedure and the billing document is getting created after the assignment of new pricing procedure)
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Regards,
SAM

Rebate GL Entries

Dear All,
Required feedback from Gurus on the GL entries.
Create a rebate agreement and when saving invoice system book the provision and post the following entry.
Rebate Expense Dr. $100
Rebate Payable Cr. $100
When at the end of the month user wants to post the credit memo by partial settlement, lets assume that he is posting accural of $70. The following entry is generated at the time of the posting.
Customer Cr. $70
Rebate Payable Dr. $70
Rebate Expense Dr. $70
Rebate Expense Cr. $70
Now If I want to run the final settlement I required that system only post the entry what left in the agreement.
Customer Cr. $30
Rebate Payable Dr. $30 but system cant post the required entry, and post the following entry that is not correct
Customer Dr $ 70
Rebate payable Cr $70
Looking forward for the gurus response.
Regards,

Dear Vish.
I have created a rebate agreement on qty basis, at the time of invoice system calculate the rebate in the invoicing condition, and along with normal entry also post the following entry.
rebate expense Dr. $10
rebate payable Cr. $10
actual mechanism of the condition is coming like this,
PR00             $100
MWST 10%   $10
Value including tax $110
Rebate base $100
BO03             $10 (this will generate the above mention entry of rebate expense and rebate payable)
For above all my pricing procedure is ZXYZ
Now i go to rebate agreemetn and see the accural value system show me the correct value $10 in the "Max Amount field" and in amount to be paid i input $6 and save the document, system automatically generate the credit memo request.
In credit memo request i change the pricing procedure little bit becasue other wise it also call MWST will create problem while saving invoice so for that issue i made another pricing procedure and in that pricing procedure only input the BO03 condition type. line appear like this.
BO03 requirement 24, AccK ERU, Accru ERU
Till now every thing is ok, and when I post the credit memo, system generate the following entry that is OK.
Customer Cr. $6
Rebate Expense Dr. $6
Rebate Expense Cr. $6
Rebate Payable Dr. $6
till nowevery entry is fine.
now issue arise and required your expertise, if i am going to close the agreemetn or lets say run the final settlemt, i need that if there is any amount laying in the accural system only consider that and at the time of closing credit the customer by that value, in our case it is $4.
But when i go to rebate agreemnt and after changing the status to B run the final settlemt, system only shows me the value that i have already booked through credit memo., my procedure is same.
it automatically not credit the customer by remaining value although in the condition two lines are appeared with BO03 and second is same with BO03, in below line it show me the remaining value $4. a very strange behavior.
Please suggest how in the condition system only consider the remaining value, did it required an other procedure.??
or how.
Pls feel free to ask if have any query.
Looking forward for your response.
Regards

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I have created Rebate Agreement. Status is coming as blank (Open).
I want to create a Sales Order to test the rebate.
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For doing a cycle on Rebate in SD, you need to run full end to end OTC (Order 2 Cash) cycle.
And to that you need to various configuration, which may include modification in pricing with addition of condition type for rebate bases, accrual relevant GL account, etc.
You can search SCN or SAP building block for rebate related configuration.
You will get a lot of information related to that.
Regards
JP
FYI
If you don't have requirement type 24 against condition type for rebate base in your pricing procedure.
The condition type for rebate will also display in sales order & it can be indicative to end-user who is creating a sales order. But actual accrual value for rebate is posted from billing doc.
Best practice is rebate bases should calculated in billing, as that will reflect in GL accounts and rebate agreement.
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While running the cycle of Rebate following Issues required feedback from Gurus.
1. When running VBOF transaction and input the required parameter report show no result. Why plus what is the purpose of running this report before and after posting the invoice or etc.. ???
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130.80 PKR 2.000 % 6,540.00 PKR 6,540.00 PKR 327.00- PKR
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Than what is the difference in b/w 2% and 5 or 5% or in amount and in accural.??? pls explain.
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Hi Friends,
I am creating the indirect sales with extended rebate processing secnario. I have created the rebate agreement,created the requirement data,created the sales request and created the sales confirmation by manulaly data entry, then updating the indirect slaes system is through the error ther is no sales data.
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Hi All,
I have done all required configuration for Extended Rebate Processing.
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In Step: Updating of Indirect sales:
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Dear Sd gurus,
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Hello,
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Manual Accruals:
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