Reducing Aperture: iPhoto duplication

When using unified library is there any way of NOT seeing every Aperture "project" (aka iPhoto event) in a long column headed EVENTS 2 sections below iPhoto's Events folder in LIBRARY? At the moment my Aperture "projects" are identical to iPhoto's "events"
Presumably when I get into using Aperture more I will be grateful for this set up... will I?
Thanks.

Even being able to have all A's projects behind one folder/label would be good then I wouldn't have to scroll down miles to my Albums...

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Can aperture reduce my iPhoto library size?

Hi, I have spent hours reading lots of discussions and whilst, maype part of my questions have possibly been answered somewhere else, I cannot get a definitive answer to everything I need to know. I undrestand that aperture is different to iphoto, but I am confused by some of the answers regarding libraries that I have read! Any opinions or answers are gratefully received...
I have read that aperture organises the photo library differently to save space when compared to iPhoto that I understand makes duplicates for every change/edit that you make to a photo. My current photo library is nearly 120GB and I want to get some space back! I have external drives that I could move my iphoto library onto, but I want to keep my photos (well, certainly half of it) on the internal drive as I work away from plug sockets often and my 3TB drive needs power.
If I purchase aperture, do I import my library into aperture and will it then reduce my library down in size?
I know that iphoto and aperture can share a library, but can I split my library into photos onto my hard drive that I don't often need and keep the ones that I want on my internal drive? Would iphoto and aperture be able to work fully if the external hard drive wasn't connected? My thinking is that only aperture can cope with having multiple libraries on multiple drives to work with at the same time, and that iphoto needs one complete library on one drive
I am happy with many of the photos that I have edited from years past ie rotation, red-eye correction and can't see a reason for every wanting to revert to the original. Can I just export these as full size jpegs to my external drive and then delete them from iphoto to reduce the multiple versions of each photo it keeps, before re-importing them into iphoto which means it will only make retain 1 copy of the photo (the one that I need)?
Huge thanks for taking the time to read this!
Neil

I have read that aperture organises the photo library differently to save space when compared to iPhoto that I understand makes duplicates for every change/edit that you make to a photo.
It uses the same Library format as iPhoto, so no, it doesn't organise the library differently. It gives no thought to saving space. Digital photography with a non-destructive workflow uses a lot of space. iPhoto makes no duplicates. It has a preview of an edited version. One thing that Aperture can do is not generate the preview. But that means no integration with other apps, and you'll need to export the shot everytime you want to email or use an image in a document etc.
Frankly, I don't think that space would be a reason to migrate to Aperture.
My current photo library is nearly 120GB and I want to get some space back! I have external drives that I could move my iphoto library onto, but I want to keep my photos (well, certainly half of it) on the internal drive as I work away from plug sockets often and my 3TB drive needs power.
Split the Library. It's cheaper:
Make sure the external drive is formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
1. Quit iPhoto
2. Copy the iPhoto Library from your Pictures Folder to the External Disk.
Now you have two full versions of the Library.
3. On the Internal library, trash the Events you don't want there
Now you have a full copy of the Library on the External and a smaller subset on the Internal
Some Notes:
As a general rule: when deleting photos do them in batches of about 100 at a time. iPhoto can baulk at trashing large numbers at one go.
You can choose which Library to open: Hold down the option (or alt) key key and launch iPhoto. From the resulting menu select 'Choose Library'
You can keep the Library on the external updated with new imports using iPhoto Library Manager
If I purchase aperture, do I import my library into aperture and will it then reduce my library down in size?
No you just open it. It doesn't change it in any way without further intervention from you.
I know that iphoto and aperture can share a library, but can I split my library into photos onto my hard drive that I don't often need and keep the ones that I want on my internal drive? Would iphoto and aperture be able to work fully if the external hard drive wasn't connected? My thinking is that only aperture can cope with having multiple libraries on multiple drives to work with at the same time, and that iphoto needs one complete library on one drive
See above. I don't think you need Aperture. iPhoto can have the same number of Libraries as Aperture - i.e as many as you want.
I am happy with many of the photos that I have edited from years past ie rotation, red-eye correction and can't see a reason for every wanting to revert to the original. Can I just export these as full size jpegs to my external drive and then delete them from iphoto to reduce the multiple versions of each photo it keeps, before re-importing them into iphoto which means it will only make retain 1 copy of the photo (the one that I need)?
Yes you can, but you might want to ask yourself why you're using a non-destructive workflow at all, if you're going to that bother to try and defeat it?
IMHO: there are many excellent reasons for moving on from iPhoto to Aperture - and they are all to do with the limited nature of iPhoto's tools. You mention one of them. I think that the suggestion I have above is the way to go forward, with multiple libraries.

I just noticed that I can no longer select photos out of my finder that are located in my Aperture/Iphoto Library. I used to be able to attach photos to my gmail out of the aperture library in the finder and for some reason, no longer can.

I just noticed that I can no longer select photos out of my finder that are located in my Aperture/Iphoto Library. I used to be able to attach photos to my gmail out of the aperture library in the finder and for some reason, no longer can.
I can't access these images except to go into the applications.
Also, I'd like to import my iphoto library into aperture, and move aperture library to an external drive. I tried the import first, but there wasn't enough space. Then I tried copying over the aperture library onto the external drive but it failed bc it said file was in use.
As it is, I only have 50gb left on my imac, and the aperture library is 150gb. Also, I have over 10k images in both libraries combined and there are tons of duplicates that need to be sorted, and hopefully not messed up because I've organized most of them.
So in short, I need to know how to do the following:
-select photos in finder in aperture/iphoto libraries
-move aperture library to live on external drive
-import iphoto library into aperture library
-eliminate dups but maintain organization
-moving forward i need a better workflow so that I import images from camera, and can organize right away into albums rather than creating projects by default and then creating albums so essentially the photos are in 2 different places, even tho they are referenced
-live happily ever after
Thanks in advance for any support you can offer!!

If you're using apps like iPhoto or Aperture then they replace the Finder for managing your photos. The point is that you use the (many) options available via these apps for the things you want and need to do with the Photos.
So, simply, you don't select the photos in the Finder. I'll append the supported ways to do this - which are faster and will yield the current version of your Photos - to the end of this post.
-move aperture library to live on external drive
Managed or Referenced Library? Managed -
Make sure the drive is formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
1. Quit Aperture
2. Copy the Library from your Pictures Folder to the External Disk.
3. Hold down the option (or alt) key while launching Aperture. From the resulting menu select 'Choose Library' and navigate to the new location. From that point on this will be the default location of your library.
4. Test the library and when you're sure all is well, trash the one on your internal HD to free up space.
Referenced - relocate your Masters first.
These issues are covered in the Manual and on this forum hundreds of times.
-import iphoto library into aperture library
FIle -> Import -> iPhoto Library? Have you done this already? If so are you trying to move the Masters to Aperture from an iPhoto Library? Or Consolidate them?
-moving forward i need a better workflow so that I import images from camera, and can organize right away into albums rather than creating projects by default and then creating albums so essentially the photos are in 2 different places, even tho they are referenced
You can't. Every photo is in a Project. They’re the basic building blocks of the Library.
You might want to spend a little time with the manual or the video tutorials. I'm not sure you've grasped the app you've purchased.
The following is written for iPhoto, but about 97% works for Aperture too.
There are many, many ways to access your files in iPhoto/ APerture: You can use any Open / Attach / Browse dialogue. On the left there's a Media heading, your pics can be accessed there. Command-Click for selecting multiple pics. This is what you use to attach your shot to your GMail
(Note the above illustration is not a Finder Window. It's the dialogue you get when you go File -> Open)
You can access the Library from the New Message Window in Mail:
There's a similar option in Outlook and many, many other apps. If you use Apple's Mail, Entourage, AOL or Eudora you can email from within iPhoto/ Aperture.
If you use a Cocoa-based Browser such as Safari, you can drag the pics from the iPhoto Window to the Attach window in the browser.
If you want to access the files with iPhoto/ Aperture not running:
For users of 10.6 and later: You can download a free Services component from MacOSXAutomation which will give you access to the Library from your Services Menu.
Using the Services Preference Pane you can even create a keyboard shortcut for it.
or use this free utility Karelia iMedia Browser

I reinstalled my system on a new hard drive, from time machine. However my old photos seem corrupt within aperture. iphoto seems okay. Have you heard of this?

I reinstalled my system on a new hard drive, from time machine. However my old photos seem corrupt within aperture. iphoto seems okay. New photos take a long time to load as well.
Have you heard of this?
Thanks

We need a little more information to be able to help.
However my old photos seem corrupt within aperture.
What kind of corruption? And when do you see it? All your images, or only some? Are the images distorted, discolored, or not displayed at all?
Are you shooting in raw? Is your library referenced or managed? Is your library on your system volume or on an external harddrive?
And it would help to know your MacOS version and Aperture version too.
Regards
Léonie

Dark photos from Aperture, iPhoto or Drag and drop

All imported photos (from aperture, iphoto or drag&droped) whitin a project are very dark in the viewer, and in the final video (itunes, export with several options...). The histogram levels of the image are low. The preview image in the project looks fine.
I tried repair permissions with disk Utility, system clean with Onyx... the problem remains.
Thanks

I'm having the same problem, but only after I installed the iMovie 9.0.1 update. Before then my still images looked fine when imported.
But now, my pictures are coming up so dark as to be unusable. I was forced to export them as slideshow movies from iPhoto and import them as clips to iMovie last time I tried to use still images.

Aperture/iPhoto issue

some of my images in Aperture/iPhoto are appearing pixelated. any idea on how to get the issue fixed

Now my console is producing the following message when I try to import a iPhoto Library:
2/1/11 10:04:59 PM Aperture[4066] POST /WSComments.woa/xmlrpc (FAILED), httpStatusCode:500, errorType:100, transactionState:5, txnId:0DAEAB4A-6DB3-4870-BC3D-08F4A32CDCBD, auto-retries=0, manual-retries=0
2/1/11 10:05:04 PM Aperture[4066] Cannot load Interface Builder file 'NSAlertPanel'

Aperture/iPhoto support

Any ideas on when Aperture/iPhoto will have raw support fo Sony A7II ?

Since iPhoto and Aperture are now dead, there is going to be no reason for Apple to upgrade RAW Support under OS X for the pro cameras any longer because no one with a pro camera is going to use that toy they are calling Photos in the future.

After installing aperture, iPhoto won't open

After installing Aperture, iPhoto says it needs to be updated to open. When I run the updater, it says everything is up to date. Suggestons? thanks, Kevin

Did iPhoto come preinstalled on your Mac? Then you need to upgrade it from the AppStore, not from the Update menu.

Sync BOTH Aperture & iPhoto library

Hello!
Is there a way to sync both Aperture & iPhoto library onto an iDevice? I know that I can import the iPhoto library to Aperture but this does not solve my problem.
I update both libraries separately as I use Aperture for RAW images which were taken with a DSLR and iPhoto for other image files from point-and-shoot cameras or mobile devices.
If I import iPhoto into Aperture and then later update the iPhoto library then the new images do not show up in Aperture or my iDevice.
Thank you.

I'm using they both to get more free space.
Using two libraries in different applications to manage the same data does not get you "more free space". Precisely the opposite, in fact.
Unless you have a specific need for using iPhoto as well as Aperture, you should simply elect to use one and forget about the other. Pick one horse and ride it.
Regards
TD

Having installed Aperture iPhoto won't open. When I try it fails with the message "You can't open the iPhoto.app because it may be damaged or incomplete. Any help please?

Having installed Aperture, iPhoto won't open. When I try it fails with the message "You can't open the iPhoto.app because it may be damaged or incomplete. Any help please?

OK, fixed it. Found that iPhoto is now BACK in the App store.
Found iPhoto app in Finder and dragged it to Trash.
Downloaded iPhoto from App store and all now back working again.
Didnt expect to find iPhoto in App store as last time I looked it wasn't available.
Nige

Aperture iPhoto Import

I imported my iPhoto library into a trial version of Aperture (Aperture will manage the directory). iPhoto manages the photos by putting them in by year in the "Masters" directory, then by event name. I noticed that the Aperture iPhoto import placed all my photos into 2011 directory instead of the same file structure in iPhoto. Is there a way to get Aperture to manage my imported photos and place the photos in a file stucture by year?
I do not intend to monkey around with the iphoto or aperture library's, but I do want the photos stored in a fasion that I could move on to some other program if needed in the future.
Thanks Gary

None taken, I am just one of those that want to know how Aperture is handling my photos. My search in the manual and in this forum did not help entirely, until now. You are right it does not matter how Aperture handles the bundle as long as you want to continue to use Aperture. I thought it was strange that iPhoto handles it one way and Aperture handles it another. I like the way iPhoto places my photos in by year. It appears that Aperture will also do this but only for my pictures this day forward. My concern is for the future, and for something that may never happen, but I plan for it anyway. If I decide to make another change in the future, I would want to make sure at least the pictures are structured by year. I should be able to go into the Aperture bundle and copy the masters out if needed. I was hoping I could get the imported photos structure by year. I do like Aperture so far and will more than likely make the purchase.
Gary

HT4007 Lost Link to Aperture/iPhoto combined library procedues

I lost the link to the information about combining Aperture and iPhoto Libraries. Help! How can I get back to it?

Did you try the support docs here? http://www.apple.com/support/aperture/
Or this main page: http://www.apple.com/aperture/iphoto-to-aperture/

Aperture/iPhoto - Use Unified Library or import iPhoto into Aperture?

So as it is June 30th, I've been forced into upgrading to Lion. Now I know I can take advantage of the Aperture/iPhoto unified library structure.
But should I?
I am new to Aperture and use it for photos starting in January 2012 going forward. I have already upgraded to Aperture 3.3. I am still currently running iPhoto 8.1.2 for photos from 2011 and earlier. My plan was to eventually import my iPhoto library into Aperture. Now it appears I don't have to.
So I'm standing at a crossroads and I'd like feedback. I have read some of the discussions where folks are having issues with migration with both avenues so I'd like to know which one makes more sense.
Should I upgrade to iPhoto 9.3? Should I keep each library separate? Should I merge? Should I import iPhoto into Aperture still and have one library going forward?
Looking for folks with some experience to give me guidance!
Thanks in advance!
Chrystal in TX

Merge them. When you upgrade to iPhoto 9.3 and Aperture 3.3 the programs use the same library format... you can open it in either one.
Note people rarely post feedback about something if it's working for them, so results will always be skewed toward the negative online. Still, it makes sense to have a backup before upgrading, as a general best practice.

Aperture + iPhoto for iOS resolution issues

I'm trying to test out syncing some of my photos from Aperture 3.2.3 to iPhoto for iOS 1.0 (173) on an iPhone 4S in anticipation of getting my new iPad. Unfortunately, I'm running into problems. It seems no matter what I do, my images appear as 3.6MP.
My understanding is that iTunes syncs the previews generated by Aperture to iOS devices instead of the original files. I'd be happier with the originals, but I can live with just previews. My main goal right now is to use the iPhone/iPad as a sorting device: eliminate the garbage and then do final editing on my color calibrated iMac.
In Aperture, I've made a test project that I'm syncing with iTunes. I only have one photo in there. In Aperture's Preferences, under Previews, I set the following:
New Projects automatically generate previews: checked
Use embedded JPEG from camera when possible: unchecked
Share previews with iLife and iWork: Always
Photo Preview: Don’t Limit
Photo Preview quality: 12 High
I Deleted the Preview of my image, then Generated a Preview (holding option while right clicking). I quit both Aperture and iTunes and relaunched Aperture. Launched iTunes, unsynced my Project with my phone, opened iPhoto on the phone to make sure the image/project was gone, quit iPhoto on phone and resynced.
I’m still ending up with a 3.6MP image even though the original is 16.1MP (5.01MB).
Images from the built in camera on the iPhone 4S show up as full 8MP images, so I don’t think it’s a megapixel limitation.
I just tried Exporting a Master from Aperture to a folder and then syncing that folder. Same exact issue occurs after syncing with iTunes: 16.1MP image changes to 3.6MP. 3264x4928 px changes to 1536x2319 px.
I wonder if it’s an iPhone limitation. I’ll have to do more testing when my iPad arrives.

I believe the the Previews are optimised for use on the iOS device, hence the reduced size.
Regards
TD

Reducing Aperture Library size

Sorry if this has been dealt with before (I did a search and found nowt).
I'm fairly new to Aperture, and my Library has grown to 14GB (14,000 files). All files are referenced on an external drive (31GB of referenced files). I use a MacBook Air with SSD, so I start with 56GB after formatting. There were lots of duplicate photos (because I merged my iPhoto library with some offline archives I had). So, it was time to get rid of the dupes.
I deleted about 3,000 photos, but the library didn't get any smaller. I deleted all of the previews, but that only freed up 2GB. When I regenerated the previews, it went back to 14GB. After recovering from a prolonged bout of consternation, I searched the web. It appears that thumbnails are not deleted when photos are removed. This strikes me as a bug, or at the very least, poor design. So, I went in and removed all of the thumbnails as described here:
http://brettgrossphotography.com/2008/04/24/aperture-library-slimming-the-size
After regenerating thumbnails and previews, my library was down to 6GB!
My question is: how do people on this forum deal with this unnecessary library bloat? I typically only keep a few percent of the photos from each import, so my library volume will again outpace the actual number of photos.
One possible approach is to create a new Aperture library from a vault. Because my files are referenced, it should create a new library from scratch and then generate the thumbnails and previews. Has anyone tried that? Seems preferable to opening packages and manually deleting files.
-Rick

After a weekend of investigation, here's some more info on Aperture library size:
1) I deleted another 1,000 or so photos, updated the vault, moved the library and then restored from the vault. The library size went from 6GB up to 7GB!
2) Looking inside the old library and the restored one revealed:
a) AP.Thumbnails files in the restored library were generally twice the size of the ones in the old one.
b) Looking at the AP.Thumbnails files with File Juicer revealed that the restored library had created thumbnails of the master files as well as the versions. The original library had thumbnails for some master/version pairs, but nowhere near as many.
3) I then deleted all of the AP.* files in the restored library, and got Aperture to regenerate the thumbnails. This reduced the library size to 5GB. The AP.Thumbnails files were much smaller.
So, my conclusion is that the best way to trim your library is to go in and delete all of the AP.* files, then regenerate the thumbnails. Restoring from a vault is not as effective.
Anyone have any intuitions as to why Aperture generates thumbnails for master files when there is an edited version? I'm fairly new to Aperture and have yet to see Aperture display thumbnails of masters if there is an edited version.

Reducing Aperture: iPhoto duplication

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