Removing pulldown for footage shot in 24p

I just got a canon hf10 camcorder and I was using the 24p mode, but then I was told that my camera does not record true 24p. In order to get true 24p from that, I need to remove pulldown.
How does one remove pulldown using final cut pro?

Well I read your reponse and then got excited, but then I read this, and now Im even more lost. I am looking for a way that "just works", and the manuals dont help much.
http://www.microfilmmaker.com/tipstrick/Issue33/HF10WKTH.html
Final Cut Pro and Cinema Tools
Don’t try to remove the pull-down in Final Cut Pro or in Cinema Tools. Final Cut Pro actually passes the frames through to Cinema Tools to perform the pull-down removal, and Cinema Tools cannot remove the pull-down from this footage because it cannot deal with temporally-compressed video. If you try this you will get footage that looks like it is 24p, but will have peculiar interlaced frames where Cinema Tools has incorrectly removed a good frame and left a pull-down frame in place. Also, Cinema Tools will replace the original MOV file, not create a separate file. So it is destructive. And if you have Reverse Telecine operating in Final Cut Pro during Log and Transfer, it will result in an incorrect and unusable file.
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