SEM-BCS without carry forward

Hi all,
Has someone configured SEM-BCS without the carry forward task.
And can you share the pros and cons of doing this?
Thanks, Alvin

Thanks Greg, Dan, Thibaud for your responses. he are very much appreciated.
I wanted to attract some debate/discussion on the matter. Personally, I am not convinced that carry forward is not used.
However a bit more context. My client is using SAP PBF and PBF can pass on Opening balances to BCS. BTW this relates to budgets more than actuals.
There are the usual related party eliminations and possibly consolidation of investments so that BCS can deal with them in a variety of reporting hierarchies.
Other requirements include
- budget may be increased/decreased 2-3 times a year
- these increases/decreases are captured as adjustments for the relevant period. This changed budget (sometimes for the same fiscal year) is the authority for spending
- there are 4 years of estimates (say Est1, Est2, Est3, Est4 representing each future year) and they do not roll on to each other. In other words, Est1 do not roll into est 2 and est 2 do not roll into est 3 and so on. Rather est 1 roll into est 1, est2 into est 2, either in the same fiscal year or the next fiscal year (it sounds confusing hence I hesitated to put that with my initial question)
So far, based on other conversations, I have gathered the following:
- Not generally done in BCS where opening balances are required
- Documents posted in the previous year will not inverse
- Consolidation adjustments relating to previous years will have to be re-posted in current period. Flexibility to report these adjustments for a particular period will be lost.
- Additional items/subitems will be required for opening balances, as compared to opening balances captured in period 00,
- Many BEx reports (probably some reclasses and allocations) that are looking for the beginning balances in the period 000 will start malfunctioning.
- Copy Tasks (this will used for different consolidation versions) may end up with incorrect data if they require previous period results
- Not being able to close book for the year?
Anymore input would be appreciated.
Cheers, A

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