Separate ASM diskgroup for Online redo logs

Version: 11.2.0.3
Platform : Solaris 10
One of the Hitachi support guy has suggested to create a separate disk group for Online redo logs. His rationale was that ORLs was write only files and it would be better to put in a separate disk group.
What do you guys think ?

Tom wrote:
Version: 11.2.0.3
Platform : Solaris 10
One of the Hitachi support guy has suggested to create a separate disk group for Online redo logs. His rationale was that ORLs was write only files and it would be better to put in a separate disk group.
What do you guys think ?
A separate disk group for just the ORL's? The files are indeed write only but that does'nt mean that you would need to "isolate" them over a few disks by putting them in an individual disk group. With one diskgroup spread across several disks, ORL's would enjoy a better IO bandwidth as ASM knows how to deal with them by allocating the AU size of 128kb for them. So as the suggestion factor goes, mine is a no. If you haven't experienced a really really bad performance impact due to the ORL's than may be, you may want to think doing it.
Aman....

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Fixed Size 1247900 bytes
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ORA-01157: cannot identify/lock data file 4 - see DBWR trace file
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channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) to restore from backup set
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Database altered.
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pippo
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enrico

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FZheng:
Thanks for your input. It is clear that we need 3 type of redo logs on both databases. You answer my question.
But I have another one. In oracle ducument, it says If you have configured a standby redo log on one or more standby databases in the configuration, ensure the size of the current standby redo log file on each standby database exactly matches the size of the current online redo log file on the primary database. It says: At log switch time, if there are no available standby redo log files that match the size of the new current online redo log file on the primary database. The primary database will shut down
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This was setup by someone I don't know. Is this setting OK? or I should change Standby Redo Log on standby DB to 512M to exactly meatch with redo log size on primary?
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Online redo logs on a physical standby?

A question on REDO logs on physical standby databases. (10.2.0.4 db on Windows 32bit)
My PRIMARY has 3 ONLINE REDO groups, 2 members each, in ..ORADATA\LOCP10G
My PHYSICAL STANDBY has 4 STANDBY REDO groups, 2 members each, in ..ORADATA\SBY10G
I have shipping occurring from the primary in LGWR, ASYNC mode - max availablility
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According to the 10g Dataguard docs, section 2.5.1:
"Physical standby databases do not use an online redo log, because physical standby databases are not opened for read/write I/O."
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Standby_File_management --> for example if you add any datafile, those information will be in archives/redos once they applied on standby those will be added automatically when it is set to AUTO if its manual, then it creates a unnamed file in $ORACLE_HOME/dbs location later you have to rename that file and recovery need to perform .
check this http://docs.oracle.com/cd/B14117_01/server.101/b10755/initparams206.htm
HTH.

Commit Completes although current online redo log file have been removed.

Although i have removed current online redo log file in linux os (Oracle Linux),when i type "commit" it says that "commit complete".
Is this fair for this princip?*:" if Only when all redo records associated with a given transaction are safely on disk in the online logs is the user process notified that the transaction has been committed."*
I think that it can lead to loss of data in some cases..I'm using Oracle 11g R2 on OEL (x64)..
Can anyone explain me ? I'm getting stuck in this situation..
P.S : I haven't multiplexed current ORL group files...

Javid wrote:
Although i have removed current online redo log file in linux os (Oracle Linux),when i type "commit" it says that "commit complete".
Is this fair for this princip?*:" if Only when all redo records associated with a given transaction are safely on disk in the online logs is the user process notified that the transaction has been committed."*
I think that it can lead to loss of data in some cases..I'm using Oracle 11g R2 on OEL (x64)..
Can anyone explain me ? I'm getting stuck in this situation..
In *nix, a file that is open by a process isn't really deleted until the process that has it completes. So even though you 'deleted' a redo log, oracle is still holding it. As soon as you stop your database (maybe even as soon as the db does a log switch) the redo will really be gone and no longer available. consider the implications for archive logging.
P.S : I haven't multiplexed current ORL group files...You need to fix that. the online logs are the achilles heel of the database. That's why it is standard practice to multiplex them.

Separate ASM diskgroup for Online redo logs

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