Shipment cost in collective shipment

Hi,
Collective Shipment Includes:
1.Several Point of departure
2.Several Destinations
One Mode of Transport.
I have to configure above two scenarios.
Can shipment from manufacturing plant to depot and from depot to retailer come under collective shipment? ie STO and direct sale can be a part of collective shipment?
If yes pls. elaborate on how I can get shipment cost documents separately for STO and direct sale as single shipment doc will not be useful.
Pls. respond.

Hi Abhilash,
In both the cases you mentioned the a single truck will start from manufacturing location A and will serve both the depot and the consignee.
Both the cases can be handled in a same manner, but my ques is in first case against the STO of 25 tons, will the depot be receiving 15 tons only or he'll receive whole 25 tons and then issue 10 tons out of it for the sales order, coz sales order is from depot so the manufacturing plant can not serve the consignee.
See in my opinion, in both the case you'll create 1 shipment against the STO of 25 tons and the shipment cost against it will cover the freight cost of moving the stocks from manufacturing location to the depot, and the other shipment will be against the sales order of 10 tons, and the shipment cost against it will cover the freight cost for moving the stocks from depot to the consignee.
reward, if helpful.
Regards,
Noopur

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