Should HDV, being exported to DVD, be UFF or LFF?

I know that HDV is upper field first. We capture and edit, and then use the Adobe Media Encoder to export a .m2v.
What gives the best quality? I'm partial to clicking 'Deinterlace' and setting the Fields to 'Progressive'.
Is that the best way to export HDV to DVD? Should I be deinterlacing? Or should I leave it interlaced? And if I do, should it be UFF or LFF? AND, if it IS interlaced, won't it look all mucked up if the DVD is played back on a computer?

Alright, I just tested it.
Here is what I found.
I had an HDV file with a really "bad" pan in it where I quickly swept from one subject to another. I put no effects or anything on it.
I went to the Adobe Media Encoder with the following settings:
NTSC
Interlaced
Quality: 5
Bit Rate: CBR, 8 Mbps
I made one UFF and one LFF. I burned them to a DVD, and watched them back to back.
They were both so identicle that there was absolutely no difference between me and 3 other employees looking at the footage. Visually, there was no difference.
So then I imported both .m2vs into Premiere. I loaded both of them into the Source monitor, so I could look at individual frames.
The LFF one had a "dropped line" at the very bottom. As if the very last field was missing, and appeared as solid black, although I have a suspicion it might actually be alpha. In Encore, it actually showed up as a very thin line of garbled reds and greens and blues and whites. But only in the preview. Nothing appeared on screen.
The UFF seemed a bit more accurate. The fields spanned from top to bottom, with no "jiggling" at top OR bottom.
I went to the middle of a quick pan, and put matching frames from both files on top of one another, then quickly went back and forth to compare differences.
The LFF file seemed to have some "mushing" in the quick pans. As if someone went in there and kind of rubbed out some of the detail. The UFF still appeared sharp, and still had very concice interlaced stepping all the way through.
Therefore, on a screen, I saw NO difference. But in Premiere, comparing both, it seems that going UFF is a bit sharper and a bit more technically accurate.
If anyone wants to try this out for themselves, please share.
But in my oppinion, with HDV footage going on to DVD, here are the best export settings:
.m2v
(leave it interlaced)
quality of 5 (out of 5)
CBR, 8 Mbps
Field Order: Upper Field First
Let me know what you think.

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Originally, before I got an HDTV, I would simply drop the finished HD timeline into an SD timeline in FCE, and create the DVD using these movie files. On a typical CRT 4:3 television, this actually works okay. But once I got my HDTV and watched how the 4:3 picture was simply placed in the middle of the screen, I realized I was doing this the wrong way.
Ultimately, I want to create the DVD so the video adjusts to the width of the screen, where the black bars you see aren't actually embedded in the video itself. Is this called an "anamorphic" DVD?
I've done my best to do this on my own, but any movement in the final videos on the DVDs contain horrible jaggedness, as if you were watching interlaced video on a computer monitor, even if I'm watching it on a CRT 4:3 television.
Here is what I'm doing:
Export 1920x1080 MOV
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Pixel Aspect Ratio: Widescreen 16:9 (1.200)
When I'm in the transcode settings panel, in the output preview window, I can see the jaggedness and can't get rid of it by changing any settings. If I change the PAR selection to "Standard 4.3 (0.900)" it gets better, but again I don't think this is what I want to do.
Can anyone see the problem in my workflow? Should I be exporting something different from FCE?
Thanks in advance.

Ann -- Thank you for the response. After digging a bit deeper into this forum, I found the HDV --> SD DVD Workflow? thread and it gave me this idea as well.
I created a project using "DV - NTSC > Widescreen 48 kHz" as the timeline preset. I was able to drag the final HD 1920x1080 MOV that I created in Final Cut Express onto that timeline. Then, I used the Adobe Media Encoder to export MPEG-2 files, which gave me many more options that the same step in Encore.
A while back, Apple removed the ability for Quicktime to export MPEG-2 files, for some reason, and I was never happy with that. I'm excited to see that Premiere Pro is able to do this, so I might start migrating over to Premiere Pro now. I just needed the right kick in the butt to get around to it, I guess.
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Can I make 1080i into progressive before exporting to DVD?

This excellent post explains how my HV20 1080i60 footage can be made progressive by using the ProRes setting:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306389
However, doing this sextuples the file sizes, and I have 50GB of footage on this project and needed it all on my MacBook, so it was a no-go.
Is there a way to apply this ProRes now that I have my project edited in timeline (4 minutes) before exporting to DVD? Or could I somehow use the ProRes setting itself (rather than one of the DVD export settings) to export the project to burn on a DVD in DVD Studio Pro?
Or is applying a Deinterlace filter going to do the same?
I would keep the framerate at 29.97, as it is destined for broadcast.
Thank you,
MaW

Thank you very much for superfast replies.
You are right about the broadcast, I just checked the Viacom submission specs, and for HD it says “MTVN requires delivery of 1080i (16 x 9) aspect ratio program material, at 29.97 frames per second (59.94 fields/sec) for broadcast.”
It would be quite silly to go from i to p to i.
I just wanted to do everything I could to make it look less sharp and videoey (being a $1,000 CMOS camera...)
I am now trying to add some grain with the CGM plug-in...
Very interesting about the Deinterlace Filter vs. Frame Controls.
Which one of the four should I select?
(Fast (line averaging), Better (motion adaptive) Best (motion compensated) and Reverse Telecine)
I would want the best possible result, of course.
Also, should I leave the ‘adaptive details’ box checked?
For future reference, if I wanted to export 1080i timeline and make it progressive, could I still follow the article instructions and select Reverse Telecine (I’d probably keep the framerate at 30)?
This would seem so much easier than having to do the pulldown on ALL your footage before starting to edit...
Thank you
MaW

Still images exported to DVD look deinterlaced and flicker on TV monitor

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I have tried tried almost everything and I still have issues with the still images exported to DVD as sequencefrom FCP 7.0 by using Compressor are deinterlaced and flicker on TV monitor. Please help remove the annoying flicker.
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Ikegami
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Things to try (In increasing order of image degradation)
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Dear Russ,
Thank you very much. Yes, there is something else in the sequence, old documentary, 768 x 570 (no field dominance, 25fps, Apple ProRes 422) but the images are more imporant.
make a progressive sequence with square pixels. (I am partial to 720P, 1080 should work – or 540). Choose Pro Res 422
Do you mean that I should make a sequence in FCP with these settings? If yes, how can I set a "progressive" sequence? I dont see a setting for output field in FCP sequence settings, lnly in customizing Compressor output DVD format.
Also: "720P, 1080 should work – or 540" are you talking about Frame size? If so, to set in Compressor or in FCP?
If you have interlaced material, then de-interlace before you bring it in. If you don't have interlaced clips, don't de-interlace.
The images are not interlaced after I crop them, apply motion blur filter in Photoshop but look interlaced in FCP timeline after I import them and even to the same as photos sequence in FCP timeline.
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http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2010/08/help-documents-for-creative-suite-5-pdf -and-html.html
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http://forums.adobe.com/thread/913334
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Hunt, thanks for the reply!
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amongst others,
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