Should we use struts? Or another framework?

Hi all!
The company I work at is building a set of java applications (internal tools) and a website (what the clients will use). So our internal tools' users are our employees, and clients will use the website. Anyways, small introduction to get you situated. Also we use an object oriented database system (very high tech stuff I love it) and a JDO mapping to it. Now we are at the stage where all our internal tools are built, and we need to build the website. We will not have MASSIVE traffic to it, the nature of our product is more likely to be used often by a few clients. Our website will have all the standard stuff, like login, my account, mailing list, forum, news feed, menues, and a billing process for our clients, so we need some security.
All this to ask this simple question, given these parameters, do you think its a good thing for us to use Struts, or would we be ok with just jsp / servlets? For now, we have determined that using an application server is not necessary (we cant use EJB CMP because of JDO, and like I said we dont expect massive traffic), and we are looking for using templates also (Velocity looks good). The bottleneck for us is does it require a big learning curve, considering we are still newbies at jsp / servlets also. We would like to spend no more than 1 to 1 1/2 month to build the website.
Thanks for your thoughts, sorry for long post :)

The bottleneck
for us is does it require a big learning curve,
considering we are still newbies at jsp / servlets
also. Struts definitely has a ramp up time -- especially if you are extensively using the taglibs that it comes with (and which provide most of it's power, in my opinion). If you are still ramping up on servlets and such, struts can free you from doing stuff that you would have to figure out for yourself. E.g.
1. Proper handling of forms to provide validation and little detail things like repopulating them if something goes wrong
2. Displaying messages back to the end user.
3. Boring code to get html input from the user and put it into your object model.
Personally, I think that struts makes it much easier to make robust and consistent applications, especially if multiple developers are working on a project. Also, since it is fairly well known, it's a lot easier to maintain/pickup an app written in struts rather than a custom job. Of course, that means that you don't have as much job security...;)
So the question to you may be -- given what you know of what you need to do, what do you think will take longer -- building your own framework or learning one that has a fair amount of developer support. Of course everybody could do their own thing and you could spend a month mishmashing it to work together, which isn't unheard of either (although not recommended).
ncuka

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We are students of computer science and we are going
to make web application where the main aim is to
present on www a lot of charts, graphes, tables
created from complicated database's queries. The
interaction witch web users won't be complicated. Few
forms and in SSL.
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, but I am a student and I want to learn another
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1. Have a read of
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apps) - prove it for yourself! Does cf have event driven
databound grids
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scenarios?
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is there for teh
taking of you could just take your blinkers off for 10
minutes (yes, 10
minutes, thats all it takes to build in asp.net what it would
take days to
do in cfml)
> Microsoft seriously pissed off all their ASP developers
when they released
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future".
you got to be kidding! It was a revolution that was widely
accpeted. IIS 7
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asp was dead
either!!
You seem to want proof and stats for everything. But when
they are provided
you belittle them. Truth is, the proof is right there fo rteh
taking - and
most people have taken it. Hence, lousy cf adoption.
Lets look at just one of hundreds of details that point to
the lack of
demand (death?) of cf. Did O'Reilly not pull their CF book
from print and
will no longer be publishing it based on a total lack of
demand of a once
popular title? YES! Is this just one stray meaningless figure
or is it
backed up with tons of such data? Do sites like sitepoint
suggest cf is
alive and well or that it is "stagnant". Dude, your proof is
all over the
place in many varied forms. Just look at the number of posts
that come
through here each day - it's practically a ghost town!!
(relatively
speaking, it IS a ghost town!)
re: Yep. you really are that delusional. Wow. You have a
pretty big ego to
think
that just because of you, the image functionality was added
to CF.
Yes and No. You have to think of me as the represenation of
all those that
feel as I do - that cf needs more people to stand up and make
a fuss about
the way its going to the dogs (or the rich folk). If Adobe
can't see how
many people come to this very forum and see so much negative
endorsement
their product recieves, then we hav big problems. I like to
think they
"listen".
"Kronin555" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
news:[email protected]...
>> An Asp.Net app can be built far faster than
comparable Cf app.
>
> Opinion (unless you actually have proof, but you've
never provided
> hard
> proof when asked for it, have you Andley?)
>
> > [ColdFusion] just not widely adopted and simply has
nowhere near as many
> advnatges as most other web dev platforms. Any
advantages it has are far
> outweighed in typical scenarios.
>
> Since you're so well-versed in ColdFusion and "most
other web dev
> platforms",
> why don't you elaborate on these advantages that other
web dev platforms
> have
> over CF? If you're going to state something like this,
you really should
> have
> items to back it up with.
>
> > re: > I'm not sure what .NET has to offer that
CF doesn't for MySpace,
> > smoother integration
> integration with what?
> > better support
> OK, point 1
> > lot more functionlity
> like?
> > industrial strength & robust languages
> Nice buzzwords. Do you have data to back the "industrial
strength" one up?
> > utilise skills across organisation, not just web.
> Most web developers don't develop desktop apps, and vice
versa. This is a
> solution looking for a problem.
> > faster execution
> Numbers?
> > more third party tools, support
> > more talent/coders
> Arguable. I haven't yet met someone that focuses on the
Microsoft stack
> that
> I'd call a skilled engineer. I'm sure they're out there,
but they're
> hidden in
> all the noise.
> > a certain future witha stable owner
> Microsoft seriously pissed off all their ASP developers
when they released
> ASP.Net. Where is ASP 6 now? Yeah, it has a "certain
future".
>
> > Sadly, CF has been shunned by the web dev community
and I'm sick of
> > people
> telling me they think it is dead adn making comments
like "coldfusion, oh,
> is
> that still going is it!??"
>
> You know what's really funny about this?
YOU are adding to this
> belief!!! (then in the next breath, say that you're sick
of it). Are you
> really
> that delusional?
>
> > My whinging got the image functionality put into
the latest release, so
> > be
> grateful someone bothers to make a fuss about the state
of cf
>
> Yep. you really are that delusional. Wow. You have a
pretty big ego to
> think
> that just because of you, the image functionality was
added to CF.
>
> To sum up: "My name is Andley. Don't use CF. It isn't
marketed well. It
> doesn't have the functionality of other web dev
frameworks. Ruby on Rails
> and
> ASP.Net rock. If CF ends up getting marketed, I'll take
credit for it. And
> even
> though I say not to use CF, don't go badmouthing CF
because I can't stand
> that.
> Oh, and I really do like CF, wish I could use it, but
noone wants it.
> Don't
> ever think I am badmouthing CF, I'm just helping Adobe
see the error in
> their
> ways. Oh, and yes, I use many different aliases to get
my point across.
> That
> doesn't make me look like an idiot or anything, it's a
means to an end to
> get
> Adobe to recognize the importance of what I (and my 50
other "friends")
> are
> saying."
>
> Seriously.
>

Should we use struts? Or another framework?

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