"sleep 1; xset dpms force off" doesn't turn backlight off

I have a 13'' Macbook Pro connected to a 24'' Apple Cinema Display LED monitor and I'm running a XFCE as DE, and running the nvidia-beta + nvidia-utils-beta from AUR. I'm using the external monitor as the main screen and the MBP display turned off. I don't have a separate screensaver installed.
Until a couple of months ago issuing 'sleep 1; xset dpms force off' would turn the backlight of the Apple Cinema Display off, which is how I like it. Now however the backlight switches off for a second, switches on again showing a blank (black with backlight on) screen. I experimented with the xset screensaver settings (xset s ...) but none enable me to turn the backlight off.
output of 'xset q' :
Keyboard Control:
auto repeat: on key click percent: 0 LED mask: 00000002
XKB indicators:
00: Caps Lock: off 01: Num Lock: on 02: Scroll Lock: off
03: Compose: off 04: Kana: off 05: Sleep: off
06: Suspend: off 07: Mute: off 08: Misc: off
09: Mail: off 10: Charging: off 11: Shift Lock: off
12: Group 2: off 13: Mouse Keys: off
auto repeat delay: 660 repeat rate: 25
auto repeating keys: 00ffffffdffffbbf
fadfffefffedffff
9fffffffffffffff
fff7ffffffffffff
bell percent: 50 bell pitch: 400 bell duration: 100
Pointer Control:
acceleration: 1/10 threshold: 4
Screen Saver:
prefer blanking: yes allow exposures: yes
timeout: 600 cycle: 600
Colors:
default colormap: 0x20 BlackPixel: 0x0 WhitePixel: 0xffffff
Font Path:
/usr/share/fonts/misc/,/usr/share/fonts/TTF/,/usr/share/fonts/Type1/,/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/,built-ins
DPMS (Energy Star):
Standby: 600 Suspend: 600 Off: 600
DPMS is Enabled
With the Apple Cinema Display disconnected and using only the laptop monitor 'sleep 1; xset dpms force off' does turn the backlight off. So it seems to be something about using the external monitor.
Last edited by rwd (2012-11-01 20:23:26)

Thank you! Nice to know I am not alone. Googling has brought me nothing, though it's difficult to pinpoint discussions about something like this, as users may not know enough to work out what the problem is and not even mention DPMS!
Anyway, my setup consists of an i7 running on an X58A board with an ATi 5850 card using the radeon driver, from testing, not git. System is fully up to date with testing enabled, X has little manual configuration besides telling it what driver to use.
I should mention that prior to this, I was using the fglrx driver, and had a similar but different problem. With the fglrx driver, when using DPMS, after an undetermined time, could be minutes, could be hours, X would peg the CPU and become unresponsive, not even able to change to another VT. Another issue difficult to google as a lot of users wouldn't know to ssh in to have a poke round. I switched to radeon in an effort to get rid of this problem, only to have it replaced with another!
Neither times did anything out of the ordinary turn up in any logs. Frustrated isn't the word! For now I have turned off monitor power saving in KDE though this isn't ideal
EDIT: Turning off monitor power saving in KDE didn't work, so I have no added
Section "ServerFlags"
Option "BlankTime" "0"
Option "StandbyTime" "0"
Option "SuspendTime" "0"
Option "OffTime" "0"
EndSection
to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-xorg.conf
Of course, I'd like to be able to use DPMS! Anyone have any ideas how this can be rectified?
Last edited by LadFromWales (2012-02-26 13:54:51)

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Identifier: 0x55
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Gamma: 1.0:1.0:1.0
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CRTCs: 0 1 2 3 4 5
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dither: off
supported: off, on
audio: auto
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underscan vborder: 0
range: (0, 128)
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1280x720 (0x5b) 74.5MHz +HSync +VSync
h: width 1280 start 1344 end 1472 total 1664 skew 0 clock 44.8KHz
v: height 720 start 727 end 732 total 748 clock 59.9Hz
640x480 (0x5c) 25.2MHz -HSync -VSync
h: width 640 start 656 end 752 total 800 skew 0 clock 31.5KHz
v: height 480 start 490 end 492 total 525 clock 60.0Hz
DisplayPort-1 connected 1440x900+2560+0 (0x5d) normal (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 408mm x 255mm
Identifier: 0x56
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Subpixel: horizontal rgb
Gamma: 1.0:1.0:1.0
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530e000a202020202020000000ff0037
3337333138375030414b4d01000000fc
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audio: auto
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coherent: 1
range: (0, 1)
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h: width 1440 start 1520 end 1672 total 1904 skew 0 clock 55.9KHz
v: height 900 start 903 end 909 total 934 clock 59.9Hz
1280x1024 (0x5e) 135.0MHz +HSync +VSync
h: width 1280 start 1296 end 1440 total 1688 skew 0 clock 80.0KHz
v: height 1024 start 1025 end 1028 total 1066 clock 75.0Hz
1280x1024 (0x5f) 108.0MHz +HSync +VSync
h: width 1280 start 1328 end 1440 total 1688 skew 0 clock 64.0KHz
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h: width 1440 start 1536 end 1688 total 1936 skew 0 clock 70.6KHz
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1024x768 (0x62) 78.8MHz +HSync +VSync
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v: height 400 start 412 end 414 total 449 clock 70.1Hz
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Clones:
CRTCs: 0 1 2 3 4 5
Transform: 1.000000 0.000000 0.000000
0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
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filter:
dither: off
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audio: auto
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CRTCs: 0 1 2 3 4 5
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dither: off
supported: off, on
audio: auto
supported: off, on, auto
underscan vborder: 0
range: (0, 128)
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1280x1024 (0x5f) 108.0MHz +HSync +VSync
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h: width 1440 start 1536 end 1688 total 1936 skew 0 clock 70.6KHz
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1152x864 (0x61) 108.0MHz +HSync +VSync
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v: height 864 start 865 end 868 total 900 clock 75.0Hz
1024x768 (0x62) 78.8MHz +HSync +VSync
h: width 1024 start 1040 end 1136 total 1312 skew 0 clock 60.1KHz
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0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
filter:
load detection: 1
range: (0, 1)
dither: off
supported: off, on
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underscan hborder: 0
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Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

The previous reply was correct -- the freeze you are experiencing has nothing to do with the number of songs in the iTunes queue. The problem is with your hard drive. The newer Seagate FreeAgent drives (and all FreeAgent Pros) use a chipset that does not play well with recent versions of MacOS. I am not sure if Seagate uses two individual chipsets: one for USB and one for eSATA (assuming you are using a FreeAgent Pro), or simple one that supports both protocols, but that is the causing your mysterious freeze.
I have spent weeks troubleshooting this very same problem and have yet to find a solution. Right now, I am in standby mode until Apple releases 10.4.11 which is said to have fixed "issues with USB devices." I have tried many brands of external drives (Western Digital, Hitachi, roll-your-own, pre-FreeAgent Seagates) and they all work fine. I have even removed the drives from the FreeAgent Pro drives and put them into roll-your-own USB enclosures and they work fine. The problem is with the Seagate FreeAgent interface chip itself.
Hopefully you can still return your new FreeAgent drive to the store you bought it from. I am a strong believer in Seagate drives and use them extensively at home and work (over a dozen externals total) and the FreeAgents have caused more trouble than I've ever experienced with an external device. As of now, I am using a Western Digital 750GB MyBook drive until Seagate or Apple can find a permanent fix for the issue.
That being said, the FreeAgents have worked fine in the past and only recently have begun to have issues, so if you can, try rolling back to an earlier version of 10.4 and try again. Being a software developer, that option wasn't available to me.

Since 2.2.1 upgrade, force quit doesn't work after an application freezes

Sorry if this was posted before, but I couldn't find a post that matched my issue.
Has anyone else noticed that since upgrading to 2.2.1 on the 3G, if an application freezes, force quit doesn't work. I have to do a hard reset inorder to get the OS to respond again. Even tried to just hold the power button to do a power off and it doesn't respond.
Any advice? Tried restoring to 2.2.1 many times didn't help.

Thanks for the response. I have done a many restores as "new iphone" and reinstalled apps. I normally get freezes when I'm in a twitter type application and using the "mini/lite safari browser" within the twitter app.
When the phone doesn't freeze, I can force quit apps at will. It's only after a freeze (when I need force quit the most) does it not work....
I would make a Genius Bar appointment but I can't recreate it at will.

I turned off my ipad when it was upgrading the system and now it doesn't turn on. What should I need to do now?

Hello!!!
Can somebody help me?
I just turned off my ipad but I forgot that it was upgrading a new system...and now it doesn't turn on.
What should I have to do?
Thanks

Hold down on the sleep button and the home button at the same time for about 10 seconds until the Apple logo appears on the screen. Ignore the red slider. When the logo appears let go of the buttons.

My iphone turned off by itself and it doesn't turn on

My iphone turned off by itself and it doesn't turn on, What should i do????

IIf the battery was completely drained it might take some time before the phone will respond. Wait at least 30 minutes with the phone connected to the charger. Then reset your device. Press and hold the Home and Sleep buttons simultaneously until the Apple logo appears. Let go of the buttons and let the device restart. If the phone starts up let it continue to charge until it's 100%.
if the broken button will not let you do the reset Make an appointment at an Apple Store to have your device examined by a technician. Or contact Apple Support.

My phone doesn't want to turn off or on, it gives me the apple logo and doesn't turn on at all, help please??

my phone doesn't want to turn off or on, it gives me the apple logo and doesn't turn on at all, help please??

Do a reset by holding the power and home button until the apple logo appears ignoring the slide to power off (no data loss).

When i plug in my ipod touch (8gb, 3rd generation) it doesn't turn on and the apple logo flashes on and off. how can i stop it and turn on my ipod??????

when i plug in my ipod touch (8gb, 3rd generation) it doesn't turn on and the apple logo flashes on and off. before this it wouldn't turn on unless it was plugged in.

Try:
- iOS: Not responding or does not turn on
- Also try DFU mode after try recovery mode
How to put iPod touch / iPhone into DFU mode « Karthik's scribblings
- If not successful and you can't fully turn the iOS device fully off, let the battery fully drain. After charging for an least an hour try the above again.
- If still not successful that usually indicates a hardware problem and an appointment at the Genius Bar of an Apple store is in order.
Apple Retail Store - Genius Bar

HT201412 My cousin bought iPod touch 5th gen. Then it doesn't turned on. He charge it a charge icon appeared but after 30 mins still off . Is that normal for a brand new iPod touch? Please help me..

My cousin bought iPod touch 5th gen. Then it doesn't turned on. He charge it a charge icon appeared but after 30 mins still off . Is that normal for a brand new iPod touch? Please help me..

Not Charge
- See:
iPod touch: Hardware troubleshooting
iPhone and iPod touch: Charging the battery
- Try another cable. The cable for 5G iPod (lightning connector) seems to be more prone to failure than the older cable.
- If a 5G iPod
Iphone 5 lightning port charging problem - SOLUTION!
- Try another charging source
- Inspect the dock connector on the iPod for bent or missing contacts, foreign material, corroded contacts, broken, missing or cracked plastic.
- Make an appointment at the Genius Bar of an Apple store.
Apple Retail Store - Genius Bar
and
try:
- iOS: Not responding or does not turn on
- Also try DFU mode after try recovery mode
How to put iPod touch / iPhone into DFU mode « Karthik's scribblings
- If not successful and you can't fully turn the iOS device fully off, let the battery fully drain. After charging for an least an hour try the above again.
- Try another cable
- Try on another computer
- If still not successful that usually indicates a hardware problem and an appointment at the Genius Bar of an Apple store is in order.
Apple Retail Store - Genius Bar

What is wrong with my facetime,i am using an ipad everytime i placed a call i can't hear it ringing and the person i am calling can't recieve my call as well,i did everything possible forced off my ipad,on and of facetime on settings,change id's.

What is wrong with my facetime,i am using an ipad everytime i placed a call i can't hear it ringing and the person i am calling can't recieve my call as well,i did everything possible forced off my ipad,on and off facetime on settings,change id's, mute,unmuted,reset network settings!! But nothing change,i mean is there a problem with my ipad or the facetime has a problem right now?my friend seems doesnt have a problem with her ipad,it just happen suddenly yesterday it was ok but today when i tried calling my husband this is what happens, can anyone please help me!!

- Try cleaning out/blowing out the headphone jack. Try inserting/removing the plug a dozen times or so.
Try the following to rule out a software problem
- Reset the iPod. Nothing will be lost
Reset iPod touch: Hold down the On/Off button and the Home button at the same time for at
least ten seconds, until the Apple logo appears.
- Reset all settings
Go to Settings > General > Reset and tap Reset All Settings.
All your preferences and settings are reset. Information (such as contacts and calendars) and media (such as songs and videos) aren’t affected.
- Restore from backup
- Restore to factory settings/new iPod.
- Make an appointment at the Genius Bar of an Apple store. Seems you have a bad headphone jack.
Apple Retail Store - Genius Bar
Apple will exchange your iPod for a refurbished one for this price. They do not fix yours.
Apple - iPod Repair price
A third-party place like the following will replace the jack for less. Google for more.
iPhone Repair, Service & Parts: iPod Touch, iPad, MacBook Pro Screens
Replace the jack yourself
iPod Touch Repair – iFixit

Why does my Macbook Pro Suddenly will suddenly black out and freeze I can't do anything and I am always forced to force off my mac.

This always happens to me but recently it's happens more and more. Sometimes When I use it to game or do work or skype it will eventually black out and forze. I always have to hold my power button down to force off my Macbook pro. What is the caused of the proble and will focing off my macbook constantly spoil my mac?

In very rare cases resetting SMC has solved this problem.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3964
Hope it helps.

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