Snow Leopard Disappointment

Guys,
I've had a Mac since the 128k machine arrived in 1984. I've survived Systems 1 through 9 and then the conversion to OSX. In the 25 years I've taken all of the incompatibilities of the changeovers in stride.
I love the Mac but I'm getting a little tired of the expense of keeping up. I have the PowerMac listed below which I now find will not be compatible with Snow Leopard. How much longer will I have before I have to buy an Intel machine?
Why won't Apple make a PowerMac compatible version of Snow Leopard for the gazillions of us out there. Does anyone else have feelings on this?
Regards, Phil
Macintosh b'Gosh

Phil Hansen wrote:
Guys,
I love the Mac but I'm getting a little tired of the expense of keeping up. I have the PowerMac listed below which I now find will not be compatible with Snow Leopard. How much longer will I have before I have to buy an Intel machine?
You do not need to upgrade to Snow Leopard. It's an option, not a requirement.
Consider all the G3 and earlier machines that are not Leopard compatible. This is just more of the same thing.
Why won't Apple make a PowerMac compatible version of Snow Leopard for the gazillions of us out there. Does anyone else have feelings on this?
Gazillions? Be more specific. I would not want to pay extra money for an OS just to satisfy a few people. Just like OS9, and other ancient OSs and computers, we move forward and sometimes the past is just too expensive to maintain. Old cars needed leaded gas. There are no mules on the Erie canal these days Moving forward is occasionally painful, but in the long run, there is a point at which we have to cut the umbilical cord and our ties to the past in order to move forward.
Your old machines will continue to run as long as you maintain them properly. Many old computers cannot run new software. When all OSs are 64-bit with no 32-bit components then more machines will not be able to run the new OSs, but they will continue running what they have.
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