Softproofing - yellow image surround when proofing to printer profile

I'm having a problem with soft proofing images to a printer profile.
When I select the appropriate printer profile (which in this case is a custom-built profile that I've had made for Harman Gloss Baryta paper) and enable the "Simulate Paper and Ink" setting, the area around the image goes bright yellow.
The gamut highlighting and soft proofing appear to be working correctly.

Can we get hold of that profile please? You may be able to attach it here, or email it to [email protected] with a link to this thread. Thanks.

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