[solved] xfce menus suddenly exhibit odd sorting order

Earlier today, out of the blue, the icons in my xfce applications menus have taken on a strange ordering. Not the top-level menu, because that's hard-coded.. But, for instance, in the Accessories menu items which are lowercase (such as medit) are sorted at the bottom of the list instead of alphabetically.
I suppose that I could edit the desktop configuration files and capitalize everything, but I know that will break anytime that application is updated -- so I'd rather not do it that way.
Normally, when the menu starts acting up a reboot or log off/on will fix it. However, I have been unable to figure out why this has started happening and googling the issue has been fruitless.
Has anyone else suddenly had this happen?
Last edited by gilmoreja (2012-09-01 09:23:13)

The desktop files that don't get overwritten are supposed to go in ~/.local/share/applications. This directory is part of the standard just like /usr/share/applications so all that is needed to replace something is
<Include>
medit-usercreated.desktop
</Include>
<Exclude>
medit.desktop
</Exclude>
in the menu file.

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