SSD's & Logic?

Hi…
I'm thinking of upgrading my ageing (2007) Mac Pro with an SSD boot drive & SSD sample drive (but retaining my Seagate 7200 drive for audio purposes).
Questions…
1. Any Logic users noticed any significant improvements with an SSD & Logic? (Boot times & app loading times have never really bothered me).
2. Anybody using an SSD as a sample drive? (my understanding is they're not the best option for reading/ writing audio due to reliability issues).
3. Anybody done the upgrade on an older Mac Pro? (I'm looking at the Icy Dock SSD adapters as a solution).
Any hints or tips greatly appreciated!

So, I finally found the time to go SSD (Crucial M4) & 64 bit...
Was it worth it?
Well... overall, there is a definite improvement, but it's more subtle than I would have hoped. It's a shame I can't take advantage of the 6GB/s (SATA III) throughput that most SSD's are capable of, (though nor can even the latest Mac Pro's).
And 64 bit mode?
Well... I decided to go with Snow Leopard (10.6.8), & avoid Lion for the time being. Previously, Leopard had been rock solid, & so far so good with SL... apart from Logic being a lot slower (both in 32 & 64 bit). I certainly haven't experienced the speed bump that other users have reported in 64 bit mode - if anything, it feels slightly slower (project loading, & plug-in UI loading). 3rd party plug-ins (even non-ilok) seem particularly slow to load compared with Leopard... which means any speed increase from the SSD side seems to have been cancelled out by Logic running in 10.6.8!! (Disappointing given the cost of upgrading all my plug-ins to 64 bit).
Pro Tools 10.2 on the other hand is flying in 10.6.8. Traditionally, it's always been slower, but plug-ins (even good old fashioned RTAS on ilok) load instantly. Obviously it's a leaner program, but there's a moral to the story - has Logic become too bloated with too many features?
I guess that's another thread...

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calebdorton wrote:
I'm wondering if my loose SSD could have caused damage to the logic board?
doubtful.
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Hi
dan623 wrote:
So the question is, can I use CarbonCopyCloner to clone my current SATA Hard-drive on to my spare hard drive, and then replace the SATA with the SSD and use the spare hard drive with the cloned SATA on to avoid having to reauthorise everything...
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I have had many of the same issues / dilemmas. Here is my opiniion for what it's worth:
ANDY - Is it a good idea to strive towards only using the MBP with SSD for the program software and presets and try to keep all project files on external HDs?
Yes.
ANDY - I currently have a number of projects doubled up with originals on the 1TB drive and reworking/remixing on the SSD/500GB drive - can/should I amalgamate?
Yes, I would try and keep them all on one drive
ANDY - Similarly I have my own presets on multiple applications in the 2 separate locations, how should I manage this?
What type of presets? I would keep these all together on the system drive as they should be quite small?
ANDY - Is having a 3rd party loops and samples partition a good idea?
Yes, kind of. I would have a separate drive for all 3rd party samples and sound libraries.
ANDY - Is buying a lacie 4TB thunderbolt throwing good money after a confusing mess and can I continue with my current resources before I need to shell out that much cash?
Maybe. Remember that however big a drive you have, you need to have another one at least as big to back everything up on to. Using time machine in any other way is a real pain.
So, if it's any help, how I use manage my storage currently is this:
1 x Macbook Pro with 500GB SSD - This contains all the applications and system data as well as any files I need to take with me if I go anywhere and don't take the external drives (certain MP3s for DJing). All the Logic 'Additional Content' is also on here, but I may need to move that soon (or delete it if I never use it)
1 x USB3.0 bus powered 2TB WD portable hard drive - This contains all the sound libraries / samples that I need to be loaded quickly. Currently 928GB in total.
1 x USB2.0 2TB WD external hard drive. This contains all data that doesn't need to be accessed regularly or very quickly (Unused applications, photos, videos, video tutorials, archive of MP3s not used anymore for DJing, and various backups of the internal SSD driver
Then I would have a 4TB time machine backup external drive - if a WD elements one was available - at the moment they only go to 3TB, so I currently split the backup over 2 other drives manually.
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MrEggsalad wrote:
After that I called back and had to go through the entire process again, only to end up at a "I'm sorry, but it's been 90 days since original purchase so we can not help you, please go to an actual Apple Store or Authorized Retailer and ask them."
TL;DR: Logic board died twice, bad RAM and bad SSD on initial shipment, two repairs and I still have a FireWire and display issue. Calling Apple up I am first hung up on then told I am past 90 days so they can't help.
Any suggestions AT ALL about what to do or how to handle this? I need this computer for college and it is my only one. I bought it to last me throughout, but I hardly have faith in it anymore. Is there a way I can get a replacement or what?
Thanks.
You got a bad rep. My wife had a similar issue with her Macbook several years ago, the rep flat-out refused to talk to her unless she gave over her CC#. She explained the issue (bad screen) and the guy refused, twice. She called later and spoke to someone in their customer relations department and the issue was sorted out there. The rep we spoke to conceded that the previous rep was completely in the wrong if it is a hardware issue that is covered under our warranty.
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my processing threads in Logic are set to 4. Buffer size set to minimum an I still get annoying latency and unecceptable CPU crackle -
If you didn't mistype.....
You have set up things completely the opposite to what you need for your setup.... and so, to help prevent the issues...
Go to LPX's audio prefs... and try the following;
Your i7 has 8 cores not just 4.. (4 real and 4 virtual) so set according...
Having the I/O Buffer size set to minimum increases the loads on the system, not decreases.. so change that setting... If you have it set to 32, increase it to 64 or even 128 or 256 samples... and test with each change to see how you get on....
Also what do the actual latency figures show.. (Just below I/O buffer size...) after each change...
Finally, check what you have set the Process Buffer Range to.... If it's set to small.. set it to medium and test... and then to large and test.... and again see how you get on.

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Mixed SSD/HD here.
I didn't really see much value in having Logic (and other apps) boot any faster since I don't mind a) boot times as they are, and b) I actually appreciate some of those times when I can't get straight to it. Sometimes slow is good, it allows the imagination free reign.
I use the SSD for all samples, etc. EG - I use Omnisphere a lot and working off a hard drive is fairly mind numbing when clicking through sounds. It's now fast enough that it begins to feel like an old school synth in terms of patch changing. I'm happy.
This way is also 'write once, read many' so I get the best of SSD tech meantime.
Irritatingly expensive for storage, of course.

Logic Pro slow after SSD and mountain lion update.

1 week ago i was mixing a project of 90 tracks, and every run really well, no "system overloads" at all.
Sometimes the 320gb 5400rpm HDD give away a message that it was running a little slow and had a hard time dealing with all the 90 tracks, but it still work'd well.
3 days ago i installed a new samsung 830 256GB SSD and updated from lion to mountain lion and wow!
Everything is really fast, except logic pro.
Im now running a project with only 35 audio tracks with EQ,compressor and 2 busses with reverb.
It should work fine, SSD with 2,3 dualcore i5 cpu and 8gb ram but no, i am only able to play a quarter of a secound before i get the anoying "system overload" message....
Does somebody know what could be wrong? Mixing is my job soo this is a real problem for me.
Thanks!

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They would look like the error here
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3806031?start=0&tstart=0
if there is no mention of the SMS I wouldn't bother although, no harm would be done if you did anyway.
You disable SMS by doing the following:
Launch Terminal
Type the following at the command line: sudo pmset -a sms 0
Hit return and enter your password

How can I put logic 9 onto my new ssd, will it not allow me as i ONLY get three download of it (using the logic studio from disc, not from the app store)

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Hi,
So, working on the basis you have a Mac Pro, and you've installed your SSD. Clone your main drive (Startup Disk).
Once you've done that, go to
System Preferences>Startup Disk and select the SSD.
You now have a faster boot up and quicker system and also an internal back up, so if it didn't work you just go back to using the original Startup disk.
All the best,
Joe

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http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-2-5-Inch-Aluminum-Enclosure-EC-TB4P/dp/B005EIGUD4/ ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1394063933&sr=8-3&keywords=2.5+enclosure

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It's a great computer but I'm considering upgrading my main boot drive (WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD) to a 1tB Samsung EVO 840 SSD drive (I'm using a sonnet tempo PCI card to mount an SSD that holds audio at the moment and will add another SSD for the boot drive I'm referring to) so I just had a question - if I clone the HDD to the new SSD, what happens with things like licenses for my audio plugins, such as Native Instruments Komplete, programs by IKMultemedia. programs that use an ILOK such as Steven Slate Plugins and also, WAVES plugins? Will this info all carry across to the new SSD drive or do you think I'll need to reauthorise some things? I have all the serials etc so this shouldn't be an issue, but just wondered.
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CCC is excellent. If it doesn't work then sure, just always have a safety net of your system that is untouched.
Also, after a clean install, CLONE it!
And then use Setup Assistant. Migration Assistant.
Clone of the system can go on sparse disk images too so you don't have to partition (should have at least one though) and you can have clone from different stages and versions: 10.9.4, without Setup Assistant, migrated, full loaded with all your apps. Multiple versions.
CCC is designed to make a working bootable copy of a system so you can move the system to another boot device like hdd and SSDs without the worry.
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