Start/stop apps tier and database tier

Hi,
Could anybody told me why is necessary the database be up in order to start the apps tier ? How could I be sure that when the command (in a script) start the apps tier, the command which start the database is accomplished ?
Thanks,
Paul

It depends on your hardware configuration as well as the database size.
The best thing to do is to practice it yourself. See how long does it take for your database to start and based on that set the time interval before starting your application services. You may also use the DB script to trigger the application script so once the DB is up your application will start up.
In Linux, You can use either "wait command" OR "sleep command". Please refer to the following links for more details about 'Job Control Commands':
http://www.linux.com/guides/abs-guide/x6689.shtml
http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/25/1216215&tid=89

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    Hi Soni,
    i checked my prod environment and saw that my application server is 1.0.2.2.2 Rollup 5.
    According to metalink Doc ID: 254618.1 Oracle HTTP Server Patches Certified to be used with E-Business Suite 11i , does it mean that this is the most latest version i can upgrade to(my existing one)?You are running on the latest Rollup patch, so no additional patches are required.
    In other words, if i want to upgrade to Application server 10g, it would be impossible?
    I want to upgrade to 10.1.2.X for Web Server & J2EE application or 10.1.3.X(always if possible) , because i want to deploy some custom applications developed in JDeveloper where i use ADF BC.
    Is it possible without upgrading to R12?OracleAS 10g is not certified with Oracle Apps 11i, and you cannot replace Oracle Applications 1.0.2.2.2 with OracleAS 10g.
    If you want to use OracleAS 10g as an application server with Oracle E-Business Suite, you need to upgrade to R12.
    Note: 186981.1 - Oracle Application Server with Oracle E-Business Suite Release 11i FAQ
    https://metalink2.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_database_id=NOT&p_id=186981.1
    Regards,
    Hussein

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