Sudoku gui design

Hi Friends ,
I wish to design sudoku internal matrix in gui how to start with any help from u people.
or any link which can teach me how to build a 9 by 9 matrix in graphics and.
Regards,
weakinjava

Can't you just lay out 9 by 9 JLabel fields?Or JTextFields. Then you can actually insert values.

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mikeporter wrote:
So to sum up:
Tab Controls -- Bad
Subpanels -- Good
I wouldn't go that far. I generally need to be more organized in my block diagram when using tabs, but that doesn't mean they are bad. Have a state in a state machine for updating each tab. Then when updating the UI look at which tab the user is on, and only update those UI elements.
There are other limitations to tabs that frustrate me, like .Net controls sometimes do weird things in tabs. And some times I would have too many tabs and it starts to add rows which get all kinds of confusing. In these cases I would hide the tabs and replicate the functionality with a single column listbox which changes the tab value. But at that point it would be just as easy to insert a different VI into a subpanel.
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Question about GUI Design on JTable and its separate editor

Hi all,
I need to use JTable with separate editor , that way when I double click one of the JTable's row its editor will popup in another window.
Based on GUI design principles, where should I put the editor, in another tab panel or a JDialog ?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Setya

if you dont have to edit a lot of fields, this will
be a good solution.
but if you have many fields, it would be a good thing
to put a JTabbedPane into the under
JSplitPane-container ... or to use a JDialog :)Yes, that's the only problem I can think of, if the fields are too many.
But then, if I have so many fields in one form. I won't put them in a JTable because users will find it cumbersome for having to scroll left and right to see those fields. I believe on this scenario JTable is just not the right component to use.
Regards,
Setya

Sudoku GUI

Hey am trying to create a GUI for my Sudoku board.
Here is how it currently looks: (See code below)
There are two things I wanna change
1. How do I center align the number so they are not stuck to the right edge as they are now?
2. How do I add a bolder line around blocks/boxes(e.g. the 3*3 sections). Im sure these are pretty easy but havent been able to figure it out as of yet!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Code:
package proj.sudoku.gui;
import java.awt.Color;
import java.awt.Component;
import java.awt.Cursor;
import java.awt.Font;
import java.awt.GridBagConstraints;
import java.awt.GridBagLayout;
import java.awt.Insets;
import java.awt.event.ActionEvent;
import java.awt.event.ActionListener;
import java.awt.event.InputMethodEvent;
import java.awt.event.InputMethodListener;
import java.beans.PropertyChangeEvent;
import java.beans.PropertyChangeListener;
import javax.swing.JButton;
import javax.swing.JFrame;
import javax.swing.JLabel;
import javax.swing.JPanel;
import javax.swing.JTable;
import javax.swing.JTextArea;
import javax.swing.JTextField;
import javax.swing.SwingConstants;
import javax.swing.table.AbstractTableModel;
import javax.swing.table.DefaultTableCellRenderer;
import proj.sudoku.representation.Board;
import proj.sudoku.representation.Square;
import proj.sudoku.ui.Sudoku;
public class SudokuGUI extends JFrame implements ActionListener{
private JTextField unfilledSquaresTextField;
private JTextArea messagesTextArea;
private JTable boardTable;
private Board board;
private Sudoku sudoku = new Sudoku();
private int noOfUnfilledSquares = 20;
private static final long serialVersionUID = 1L;
class BoardTableTableModel extends AbstractTableModel {
public final String[] COLUMN_NAMES = { "Row 0", "Row 1", "Row 2", "Row 3", "Row 4", "Row 5", "Row 6", "Row 7", "Row 8"};
public int getRowCount() {
return 9;
public int getColumnCount() {
return COLUMN_NAMES.length;
public String getColumnName(int columnIndex) {
return COLUMN_NAMES[columnIndex];
public Object getValueAt(int rowIndex, int columnIndex) {
int squareValue = board.getSquare(rowIndex, columnIndex).getSquareValue();
if(squareValue == 0){
return null;
}else{
return new Integer(squareValue);
public boolean isCellEditable(int row, int col){
return true;
public void setValueAt(Object value, int row, int col) {
int intValue = ((Integer)value).intValue();
if((intValue >= 0) && (intValue < 10)){
Square square = board.getSquare(row, col);
square.setSquareValue(((Integer)value).intValue());
board.setSquare(square, row, col);
fireTableCellUpdated(row, col);
public Class getColumnClass(int c) {
return Integer.class;
* Create the frame
public SudokuGUI(Board newBoard) {
super();
getContentPane().setBackground(new Color(128, 128, 255));
board = newBoard;
getContentPane().setLayout(new GridBagLayout());
setTitle("Sudoku Sudokme");
setBounds(100, 100, 607, 456);
setDefaultCloseOperation(JFrame.EXIT_ON_CLOSE);
final JPanel tablePanel = new JPanel();
tablePanel.setLayout(new GridBagLayout());
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints.weighty = 0.5;
gridBagConstraints.weightx = 1;
getContentPane().add(tablePanel, gridBagConstraints);
boardTable = new JTable();
boardTable.setRowHeight(40); // TODO This line has been changed
boardTable.setFont(new Font("", Font.PLAIN, 20));// TODO This line has been changed
boardTable.setCursor(Cursor.getPredefinedCursor(Cursor.TEXT_CURSOR));
boardTable.setRowSelectionAllowed(false);
boardTable.setShowGrid(true);
boardTable.setModel(new BoardTableTableModel());
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_2 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_2.gridx = 0;
gridBagConstraints_2.gridy = 0;
gridBagConstraints_2.insets = new Insets(0, -265, 0, 0);// TODO This line has been changed
//gridBagConstraints_2.insets = new Insets(5, -265, 5, 0);
tablePanel.add(boardTable, gridBagConstraints_2);
final JPanel messagesPanel = new JPanel();
messagesPanel.setLayout(new GridBagLayout());
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_6 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_6.weighty = 0.3;
gridBagConstraints_6.weightx = 1.0;
gridBagConstraints_6.gridy = 1;
gridBagConstraints_6.gridx = 0;
getContentPane().add(messagesPanel, gridBagConstraints_6);
messagesTextArea = new JTextArea();
messagesTextArea.setAlignmentY(Component.BOTTOM_ALIGNMENT);
messagesPanel.add(messagesTextArea, new GridBagConstraints());
messagesTextArea.setText(board.getMessage());
messagesTextArea.setEditable(false);
final JPanel generateButtonPanel = new JPanel();
generateButtonPanel.setLayout(new GridBagLayout());
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_3 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_3.gridy = 2;
gridBagConstraints_3.gridx = 0;
getContentPane().add(generateButtonPanel, gridBagConstraints_3);
final JButton generateEmptyBoardButton = new JButton();
generateEmptyBoardButton.addActionListener(this);
generateEmptyBoardButton.setText("Generate Empty Board");
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_9 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_9.gridy = 0;
gridBagConstraints_9.gridx = 0;
generateButtonPanel.add(generateEmptyBoardButton, gridBagConstraints_9);
final JButton generateBoardButton = new JButton();
generateBoardButton.addActionListener(this);
generateBoardButton.setText("Generate Board");
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_10 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_10.gridx = 2;
generateButtonPanel.add(generateBoardButton, gridBagConstraints_10);
final JLabel unfilledSquaresLabel = new JLabel();
unfilledSquaresLabel.setText("Unfilled Squares");
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_11 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_11.gridy = 0;
gridBagConstraints_11.gridx = 3;
generateButtonPanel.add(unfilledSquaresLabel, gridBagConstraints_11);
unfilledSquaresTextField = new JTextField();
unfilledSquaresTextField.setFont(new Font("", Font.BOLD, 14));
unfilledSquaresTextField.addActionListener(this);
unfilledSquaresTextField.setText(new Integer(noOfUnfilledSquares).toString());
unfilledSquaresTextField.setBackground(Color.WHITE);
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_12 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_12.gridy = 0;
gridBagConstraints_12.gridx = 4;
unfilledSquaresLabel.setLabelFor(unfilledSquaresTextField);
generateButtonPanel.add(unfilledSquaresTextField, gridBagConstraints_12);
final JPanel solveButtonsPanel = new JPanel();
solveButtonsPanel.setRequestFocusEnabled(false);
solveButtonsPanel.setLayout(new GridBagLayout());
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_1 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_1.weighty = 0.1;
gridBagConstraints_1.weightx = 1;
gridBagConstraints_1.gridy = 3;
gridBagConstraints_1.gridx = 0;
getContentPane().add(solveButtonsPanel, gridBagConstraints_1);
final JButton heuristicsSolveButton = new JButton();
heuristicsSolveButton.addActionListener(this);
heuristicsSolveButton.setText("Heuristics Solve");
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_4 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_4.gridx = 0;
solveButtonsPanel.add(heuristicsSolveButton, gridBagConstraints_4);
final JButton bruteForceSolveButton = new JButton();
bruteForceSolveButton.addActionListener(this);
bruteForceSolveButton.setText("Brute Force Solve");
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_7 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_7.gridx = 1;
solveButtonsPanel.add(bruteForceSolveButton, gridBagConstraints_7);
final JButton hybridSolveButton = new JButton();
hybridSolveButton.addActionListener(this);
hybridSolveButton.setText("Hybrid Solve");
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_8 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_8.gridx = 2;
solveButtonsPanel.add(hybridSolveButton, gridBagConstraints_8);
final JPanel testButtonsPanel = new JPanel();
testButtonsPanel.setLayout(new GridBagLayout());
final GridBagConstraints gridBagConstraints_5 = new GridBagConstraints();
gridBagConstraints_5.weighty = 0.1;
gridBagConstraints_5.weightx = 1.0;
gridBagConstraints_5.gridy = 4;
gridBagConstraints_5.gridx = 0;
getContentPane().add(testButtonsPanel, gridBagConstraints_5);
final JButton checkIfValidButton = new JButton();
checkIfValidButton.addActionListener(this);
checkIfValidButton.setText("Check If Valid");
testButtonsPanel.add(checkIfValidButton, new GridBagConstraints());
final JButton checkIfLegalButton = new JButton();
checkIfLegalButton.addActionListener(this);
checkIfLegalButton.setText("Check If Legal");
testButtonsPanel.add(checkIfLegalButton, new GridBagConstraints());
public static void main(String args[]) {
try {
SudokuGUI frame = new SudokuGUI(new Board());
frame.setVisible(true);
//frame.pack();
} catch (Exception e) {
e.printStackTrace();
public void actionPerformed(ActionEvent arg0) {
if(arg0.getSource().getClass().getName().equals("javax.swing.JTextField")){
noOfUnfilledSquares = new Integer(((JTextField)arg0.getSource()).getText()).intValue();
this.repaint();
}else{
try{
board = sudoku.processGUICommands(board, arg0.getActionCommand(), noOfUnfilledSquares);
messagesTextArea.setText(board.getMessage());
this.repaint();
}catch(Exception e){
e.printStackTrace();
}

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How do I add a bolder line around blocks/boxes[url http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/uiswing/misc/border.htmlHow to Use Borders[/url]
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Hi folks,
I was wondering if anyone out there knew of good
resources (ideally a tutorial-style book, not a
reference) that would teach me about GUI design - the
class structure (mine are always hideously coupled)
and general conventions etc....
I mean, I know how to put together a gui that works,
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(blushes)
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Looking for a usable GUI Designer/Container...

Hi all.
Since a while, I'm looking for an integrated environment to develop and execute Java/Swing GUI and it seems it's not possible to find such a thing...
I explain : we are developping lots of J2EE applications hosted in a well known Application Server, and for what concern server, we can find 'on the shelf' almost all we need. Thus, using Session Beans, EJB3, Spring (...), it's pretty comfortable to build professional applications.
But generally speeking, these applications have a graphical part, and at this point, things become more complicated. For years, we have been using only Java, for both server and client part (Swing, even in its firsts versions... souvenirs...). But even after 10 years of Java, it seems that it is still not possible to find a tool in which we can design, test, deploy and execute our GUIs.
Since Matisse appeared, it is a little bit easier to design panels (but not so trivial... JFormDesigner has released a beta version supporting the GroupLayout : still lots of bugs) but for what concern, let's say, the 'GUI Container' part, it seems that market/open source has no answer. I tried Netbeans RCP (and also Eclipse...), but these containers have been thought for IDE, and concepts are not easy to map on a standard GUI. Moreover, these containers are huge and not so easy to understand, so very often, the decision to build full custom applications is taken, re-writing for the 1000th time the main window, the menubar/toolbar management, the MDI controller (using sometime a docking framework), ... Thus, the cost of the development and the baseline is high, and of course, our clients are dissatisfied.
Recently, a new way of developping applications appeared : server part is developped using Java/J2EE, and the client side (fat client) is made using .Net. Interop between client and server leans on WebServices or binary interop (JIntegra).
I'm totally convinced that this kind of architecture is a mistake, but it's more and more difficult to defend Java on the client side. C# tools seem to be easier to use, more productive, ...
So my question is : what are your opinions/experiences on this subject? Have you found "the magic tool", "the magic framework", ... that make of Java/Swing a good challenger for desktop developments... or do you think that the game is over, and that Microsoft .Net has definitively won the client?
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Rd

I believe it is not about winning and lossing. Its about learning. By the way, let me mention that God who is the mastermind of all variations is a God of diversity. Every diverse expression of whatever kind is a reflection and coextension of its maker -and that means that even you are a coextension of Himself.
Perhaps, if you are really looking for a tool that would satisfy your demands or desires along with Java, isnt it not logical to say that... or shall I say "perhaps" God is leading you into that new expression of diversity -a diversity that will challenge the whole creation? I dont blame others with what I cant do for myself.
One saying says,
"Seek and you shall find; Knock and the door will be opened to you; Ask and it shall be given you." The shorter way of saying it is..."Be patient and you will be satisfied."
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Therefore, do not despise what God is blessing.
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Newbie in Java

Your Feedback please on GUI design/development

Hi everyone,
I am doing some research on GUI development in java and I would
like your feedback on a few things:
(1) Do you consider GUI development in java complex and
time consuming(more than what it should be)?
(2) How satisfied are you with existing tools(IDEs like
Visual Cafe,JBuilder or any other ones) for developing
GUIs?
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design process and the actual swing API thus providing
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an example for fast & simple GUI development)
Thanks a lot for your time,
SC

I've been handrolling GUIs for over 10 years (first in X/Athena/Motif)
and now Java.
I have never found a builder that lets you get exactly what you want
plus I've always found the source they generate to be rubbish (ie
you can't modifiy it to do exactly what you want)
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yes then I would certainly use it.
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