Your Feedback please on GUI design/development

Hi everyone,
I am doing some research on GUI development in java and I would
like your feedback on a few things:
(1) Do you consider GUI development in java complex and
time consuming(more than what it should be)?
(2) How satisfied are you with existing tools(IDEs like
Visual Cafe,JBuilder or any other ones) for developing
GUIs?
(3) If the answer to question 2 is no, do you think a tool
that would offer a level of abstraction between the
design process and the actual swing API thus providing
the ability to design GUIs in a fast and easy way, would
be a useful addition to java? (Consider Visual Basic as
an example for fast & simple GUI development)
Thanks a lot for your time,
SC

I've been handrolling GUIs for over 10 years (first in X/Athena/Motif)
and now Java.
I have never found a builder that lets you get exactly what you want
plus I've always found the source they generate to be rubbish (ie
you can't modifiy it to do exactly what you want)
If there was a tool that did give me complete access to do everything
I wanted plus produced usable/reusable source code - would I use it ?
I'd probably try it and see if it was faster than doing it by hand, if
yes then I would certainly use it.
I don't honestly think a builder will ever be a complete replacement
for a GUI developer though.
Last (silly) point: Is there an Athena L&F for Java ? - not that I want
one, purely interested to know if there is one !

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