Suggestions for PSE 11 Organizer

Greetings from a new member. Not sure how to post some usability suggestions for PSE 11 Organizer, but here goes... I realize others have already posted similar comments, which triggered further discussions. However, my intent is just to bring these simple, but to me important, suggestions to the attention of the developers of PSE 11.
I have used PSE on Windows XP starting with PSE 4, then PSE 7, and very recently PSE 11. Earlier this year, I switched to a Mac OS X system and transferred my photos and PSE 11 catalog to PSE 11 on the Mac. I followed the backup/restore instructions on the PSE support site and am mostly quite happy with the results. However, I’m disappointed that the following usability features of PSE 7 organizer are missing in PSE 11 organizer (on both Windows and OS X). Note that I plan to use PSE on OS X exclusively from now on.
In PSE 7, when right clicking on one or more selected photos, the popup menu listed “View photos in full screen”, but it no longer does so in PSE 11. Although Full Screen is available on the View menu, having it on the popup would be even more useful.
In both PSE 7 and PSE 11, that same right-click popup menu lets you REMOVE selected photos from an album. It would be great if the popup menu would also let you ADD selected photos to an existing album.
In PSE 7, I could display the album list simultaneously with folder hierarchy/tree view (there was no folder list view in PSE 7). In PSE 11, the album list is visible only with folder list view. This makes it impossible to drag photos to an album from folder hierarchy view. Please fix PSE to display the album list simultaneously with folder hierarchy view.
I suggest that the default folder view be folder hierarchy (not folder list). Or even better, let the user choose the default folder view in Preferences.
Starting with PSE 4, I organized my thousands of photos in several main folders and hundreds of subfolders. Many subfolders have the same name, and frequently the subfolder name is a date. Because the PSE 11 folder list view doesn’t show the hierarchical context, folder list view is just clutter and completely useless for me. As recommended in other posts, I do intend to start using tags/events/places and other suggested ways to organize my photos. However, this will be in addition to (not instead of) using folders. I like organizing my photos in folders, just as I like organizing my other files (text, spreadsheet, etc.) in folders. Also, categorizing photos via tags, places, events, etc. is not equivalent to, and does not replace, using folders. For me, categorizing in this manner is an additional usability feature to using folders.
Thanks for listening...

My own answer will be about :
ARJNA wrote:
Starting with PSE 4, I organized my thousands of photos in several main folders and hundreds of subfolders. Many subfolders have the same name, and frequently the subfolder name is a date. Because the PSE 11 folder list view doesn’t show the hierarchical context, folder list view is just clutter and completely useless for me. As recommended in other posts, I do intend to start using tags/events/places and other suggested ways to organize my photos. However, this will be in addition to (not instead of) using folders. I like organizing my photos in folders, just as I like organizing my other files (text, spreadsheet, etc.) in folders. Also, categorizing photos via tags, places, events, etc. is not equivalent to, and does not replace, using folders. For me, categorizing in this manner is an additional usability feature to using folders.
The fact is that the Organizer has been built historically on a database to manage keywords and categories with some additional tools to enable folder browsing and managing. Note that for other types of applications like word processors or spreadsheets, you have the same choice with using keywords or folder structures.
So, where are we in version 12 ? From what I am reading today, I'll risk a few guesses.
- I am convinced that most people relying like you on folder organization don't use the Organizer or have given up using it.
- A great part of the critiques about the Organizer come about people not understanding the idea of catalogs and categories/keywords (I know that is not your case)
- Anoter great part of the critiques is that the implementation of folder organizing in Elements has aliways been lame and buggy.
What's new in PSE12 is that the folder view has been completely rebuilt. And the result is perceived differently depending on your camp : database or folders...
- For Folder tenants, the result is two-sided. They are happy to have the folder view with all trees back - They don't see the point of the folder list - They are not happy with the new interface based on new categories (people, events...) - They miss the link between albums and folders as you have mentionned
- For database tenants, the main advantage is that a lot of bugs have been corrected and that they can use the folders view and folder list as a secondary tool for organizing. The folder list (a feature I had requested) is a great tool for those wanting to migrate from a folder organization to a database one. Usually, the folder names are significant and enable very fast keywording and constitute a powerful search tool.
- For both camps, the common grudge is the loss of alphanumerical sort order in folder view. I don't care personnally, but I think it's necessary for people working on scans.
So, my wish is that the next version of the Organizer can satisfy people like you,so that much more people use and are happy with the Organizer

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