Sync webservice to async idoc

Hi all,
I have a scenario like this
1.the sender is a synchronous webservice(wsdl provided by the client)
2.the reciever is an async Idoc
I need to send the soap request message to the idoc.i dont need any response back,but the problem is its a sync async communication.
please suggest
Abhishek

Hi,
>>My another concern is i need to send a sync data at a time to a sync BAPI for some acknowledgement,so please suggest me considering both thre case.
No Problem,
In the SOAPIdoc Async case just create the Outbound Message Interface with Outbound Async mode--Here we are not expecting any response message back to SOAP Application.
Just select the Request structure of wsdl file, we dont require response structure in this case
Select the QOS in the sender SOAP Channel as Exactly Once
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In the SOAPRFC Sync case just create the Outbound Message Interface with Outbound Sync modeHere we are expecting response message to SOAP application
Here we have to selct the Request and the response message structure to get the response back
Select the QOS in the sender SOAP Channel as Best Effort
Regards
Seshagiri

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/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/05/22/schedule-your-bpm - Schedule BPM
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>
>
> 1) send async message to async BPM
> 2) async BPM receives request
> 3) async bpm transform request til sync_request.
> 4) async BPM calls synchronous BPM
> 5) sync BPM receives request
(Remove this if you are calling a sync system here) and opens a async/sync bridge
> 6) sync BPM maps request to response
> 7) sync BPM sends response
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> 8) async BPM reveices sync_response
> 9) async BPM sends sync_response to some application
>
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Edited by: sapient on Feb 28, 2008 10:03 AM

Hi,
>>1)what are the basic designs in IR for Syn RFc and Async RFC..
What could be the diffrence wrt. IR
For Sync RFC you need to Create the Message Interface as Sysnchronous and in Interface Mapping u will get the Request and Response both TABS
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