System Overload with 6 audio tracks and 2 instrument tracks!!

Hello, this is my first post. I'm learning how to use Logic Pro 7.2.1. I had 6 audio tracks open and 2 instrument tracks. I press play and I get an error message saying there is a system overload. I'd also received this message with garageband and hardly any tracks, but before today I got the message once, clicked OK and then was able to continue.
Also in the transport window right underneath the tempo, my version had the number 201. I realized that I can increase this number of memory to 2158. But in the Apple Pro Training book by Peachpit press, I see screenshots of their transport window and they have 899,852.
After calling Apple it appears that this is a case which requires me to pay $199 to get help from them, but to me it is either a bone head mistake by me or a problem with my computer I imagine. I would really appreciate some help. Thank you.

I have got plenty of system overloads on my powerbook and I only had about the same amount of tracks you had. The way I overcame the problem is by first making sure that no other programs are running ( Just to be safe). Then you should freeze the tracks that you are not editing at the time so the audio engine does not have to process all of it in real time. You can freeze all the tracks if you wanted to but you can only edit the ones that are not frozen. The freeze button looks like a snowflake on each track. Just click it and hit play and it will take a second to process it and then you will not have to worry about that track taking up so much audio processing power. You can go to the view menu and make sure the Track Freeze Button is enabled so you can used it. Try it out it should help you out.

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4GB memory is not much, when doing audio processing. GarageBand will need all memory it can get, or will be forced to continually swap pages to your disk, to free RAM, and that can cause this error.
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Also, make sure, that you have plenty of free disk space. Don't let the free disk space drop below 20G.
Where is your project located? On an external drive or your internal drive? If it is on an external drive, connect this drive directly, not daisy-chained, or move the project to your internal drive.
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Good morning
Last week I downloaded Logic Pro version 9.1.8 from the App store.
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.FLAC - similar to Apple Lossless, but less proprietary (a more open standard). Not supported by iTunes.
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.OGG - the open standard Ogg Vorbis format, often held to be superior to MP3 but little-used and therefore not supported in many platforms and players, including iTunes.
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3. how much space is available to store (and expand) the music library?
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Good point - and if I knew more about iTunes on Windows I would amend that and post a different version of the article in their forum.
I accept the point about .WAV files being used also for compressed formats but didn't want to make it too complicated; the most common use for .WAV I believe, is full quality audio.
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+It is difficult to maintain all the data in an audio stream and achieve substantial compression.+ +First, the vast majority of sound recordings are highly complex, recorded from the real world. As one of the key methods of compression is to find patterns and repetition, more chaotic data such as audio doesn't compress well. In a similar manner, photographs compress less efficiently with lossless methods than simpler computer-generated images do. But interestingly, even computer generated sounds can contain very complicated waveforms that present a challenge to many compression algorithms. This is due to the nature of audio waveforms, which are generally difficult to simplify without a (necessarily lossy) conversion to frequency information, as performed by the human ear.+
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Select Sound Track 1, and select the tab Audio Settings. Let's assume this is the stereo soundtrack. In the scrolling area at the bottom right of the window, under the heading Assignment, you should see Left and Right. Let's leave it that way.
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Save the movie. We're done with Quicktime Player for now. Launch Audio MIDI Setup. It's here:
Macintosh HD/Applications/Utilities/Audio MIDI Setup
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apparently its too overbearing for my Powerbook processor to record in 24 bit/96 Khz which is kind of a bummer because it was one of my attractions to my i/o box that i could do that. also freezing tracks will help greatly apparently which i have yet to try but hope will work too.
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well any more solutions/suggestions as to what i can do to better my situation? also am i correct as to why i think i get those error messages.
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Mike,
Bit depth is more important for recording quality than huge sample rates. If you're going to change your settings, I'd stick with 24 bit, but reduce sample rate to 48 kHz.
When you say you've put all your music on the external drive, what exactly do you mean--your Logic files or your mp3/AAC files? Normally you would want to use an external drive to record onto from Logic. That way your internal HD can run the OS and Logic, while the external is free for all the fast recording tasks. (This assumes your external HD is pretty fast, and ideally is firewire.)
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I have a mid-2009 (Duo Core 2.3 ghz. 12 gig ram) 27" iMac.
Lately I very often get system overload. I am still using Logic 9. When I open the CPU meters both Audio cpu meters are maxed out (so in red).
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Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 5300 series processors
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With only a few instruments the CPU level is off the chart and the audio is completely destroyed, the performance metre in Logic shows only CPU cores 1, 2 and 8 in use with core 8 being totally overloaded.
Steinberg state it is a chipset issue which is a common issue with early Mac Pro models.
I find this hard to accept as I cannot believe Apple would release a product that did not work for use with what is the majority of their customer base and one of their own applications [Logic].
Furthermore I cannot believe the user community would allow this issue to go unresolved with current OS updates release since 2007.
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I was "talking out loud" more than anything. I didn't fully read what you had said until after.. sorry.
Why would it not work? and came to same ideas you had.
I wish people would say "MacPro2,1" instead of model ID numbers. At first I wondered if they upgraded it on their own with 5365 cpu. And then would need the 2,1 firmware on their own.
Apple NEVER issues a EFI or SMC firmware update beyond a certain limited time frame. The MacPro1,1 got those in Aug-Sept 2007 to deal with fans and heat, and supposedly Windows.
The 2009 example is a good one. There was no BIOS fix. There was no patch for 10.5.8. You had to upgrade to 10.6.2+ instead. New models really are not supported by the OS until there has been 3-4 or even 6 months time frame and more than one update, while graphic drivers are even slower and longer to get out.
Old school: 15K scsi drives or even Fibre Channel host controller.
Is 16GB RAM enough? today?
10.7.4 broke some things that were working in 10.7.3.
New OS is not always the answer, it may be the problem.
2,1 came with poor graphic choices. Users bought 8800GTs only later in mid-2008 after much ado, or 4870s. Even 3870 in summer 2008 to get away from x1900 and 7300GT.
Is the app really able to effectively use 8-cores? it is not a given, it has to be coded and able to be multi-threaded. And 8 'real' cores, not just hyper-threading (a poor way to get more out of a core) is limited to some apps.
And MacPro 2,,1 does lack the PCIe 2.0/2.1 slots and lanes to make best use of some controller cards.
Is the system perhaps waiting on data to feed the cores? not enough disk and memory bandwidth.
Ideal RAM for 16GB ~ 4x4GB for lowest latency and quad-channel, symmetrical memory performance.
Ideal storage: SSDs on 6G controller, or some 8x PCIe - though individial drives rather than necessarily usingn an array.

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I need to be able to move every track I've created AND the Arrangement tracks together say about 10 seconds to the right as I want to put a click track intro that I didnt think to create in the first place. But everything I've tried seems a little messy.
I've tried selecting the first arranngement track, holding down SHIFT and then selecting the last arrangement track and moving them over but that seems to move the tracks to randomly anything between 20 seconds and 3 minutes.
I MUST have the arrangements move with the tracks exactly and I dont want to have to adjust them later.
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shippo_uk wrote:
MattiMattMatt wrote:
shippo_uk wrote:
MattiMattMatt wrote:
On the blue "LED" control window on the bottom, click the left icon. The choices are Time, Measures, Tuner, Project. Select "Time" then do what you described above, but using Time as as reference. You can then switch to measures and slide to the nearest measure.
This does not work. Moving/multiple whole arrangements really doesnt work well at all.
Someone else might have a better suggestion... or not. This could just be one of those limitations of GB. Moving forward, if you're going to want to be able to easily tweak things like this and many more, you might want to look into Logic.
Not that I'd buy Logic for that SOLE reason, but does anyone know if its actually possible/easier in logic?
Unfortunatley suggesting someone buys logic seems to be the general suggestion to a lot of users on this Garageband forum when they cant get GB to do something they want, but its hardly ever 100% confirmed that Logic can perform the suggested tasks. (By the way I do know that this isnt a Logic forum).
If that's the SOLE reason you'd buy Logic, then it's not worth it. Knowing that you want this intro space at the beginning of your songs, you could just start your next GB song from bar 5 or 9 or wherever. Problem solved (right?).
However, the reason people give the "buy Logic then" answer is because all these walls people hit in GB don't exist in Logic. You can do what you describe in Logic and a whole lot more. The price (outside of the literal price) is that you give up the simplicity of GB.
Beyond this one issue, if you'd be generally interested in a lot more options when you record, and don't mind spending some time learning how to use them, then maybe Logic would be something you'd be interested in.

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