Test driven development with JSF possible?

Hi,
I got two questions:
Is it possible to just make use of the HTML generation part of JSF, meaning creating the component tree and somehow triggering the generation of HTML for that view, without using a custom view handler?
Second, is it possible to create a component tree OUTSIDE the webcontainer and have it generate HTML for test driven development (JUnit tests not HttpUnit)? Even if it would mean using a mock FacesContext? We do something similar for our code that relies on a plain Servlet context, but because of the request processing lifecycle and all the value/method binding I'm not sure if the same can be done with JSF...
Thanks in advance,
Raymond Brandon

I've looked into these issues some. I specifically wanted a harness for custom controls, per your second request, and a way to do UI unit tests.
I didn't find much to aid in getting the former to happen and it seemed that creating mocks would be a huge hassle. As for the latter, I did find that there are cactus-based tests in the source code that Sun released, and there are some classes for making JSF testing easier, but the tests they have of their own code are surprisingly thin, and there doesn't appear to be an easy way to just grab a jar or two and start doing your own container tests. The Gamma/Beck book Contributing to Eclipse shows examples of writing UI unit tests that would be hugely useful.

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