Third party but SD billing before MM billing

Hi,
In my third-party flow I can not wait for receiving the MM invoice. My SD billing process is daily.
So I want to use the functionality of third-party but I want the SD invoices does not depend on the MM invoice.
I have changed the item category TAS.
Instead of billing quantity F (SD invoice quantity depend of MM invoice quant.) I have put A (invoiced quantity depend on sales order quantity).
The same in the coping control but it is not working.
I have checked the copying requ: 012 thinking in a standard validation but I have found nothing at all.
Can you help me.

Hi,
If you are still using 012 routine in copy control then remove this routine because this routine is used for following :-
When using a third party vendor to source products for a customer's order, the invoice for the goods should not be issued until the vendor has actually delivered the goods to the customer. In order to insure that this is the case, an additional validation check is needed. This requirement contains this check and can be assigned to the relevant third party billing item category to insure that undelivered items are not billed prior to delivery.
So instead of this you can try using standard routine 2 Item/order related and test the scenario if works,else you can use Z routine as per your requirement.
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Regards,
Amrish Purohit

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Is Third Party and intercompany billing is same.
Thanks in Advance
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No. Both are two separate process.
Incase of Inter-Company Billing, the same group company is being billed, where as in case of third party billing, our company bills an external customer. Configurration & process for both are very different.
For additional information on the same, please refer to link below:
Link: http://help.sap.com/
Path: SAP Best Practices --> Baseline Packages --> Based on SAP ECC 5.00 --> Select Country: for eg, Localized for India --> Technical Information --> Building Blocks --> Select Country for eg, India --> List of Basic Configuration & scenarios will be listed.
Select the required basic configuration / scenario. These will consist of overview, configuration guide, business process, master data &so on ...........
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1. Third Party with Shipping Notification
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Similarly, Even Inter-company scenario can be mapped differently.
You can get good information from help.sap.com
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Dear All ,
I am facing a problem in creation of third party order relevant intercompany billing .
We have created commercial invoice from one co. code , but not able to create interco. invoice on the other co. code .
Error message while creation of intercompany billing : No open Billing quantity has been determined .
In our organisation , two co. codes are used because under one co. code sales is booked and under other co. code plant is entered .
Hence , there is an involvement of commercial billing ( order related ) and intercompany billing ( which is also order - related ) .
Help which customisation needs to be changed / amended to resolve the issue .
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Check item category TAS as billing relevance Fif you do MIGO and MIRO, you can bill the quantity
Rectify whether the line item Updated with Reason for Rejection

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Hi,
for the third party business (where the vendor delivers the material to customer directly), we want to bring the freight at customer invoice level and post to COPA. we don't follow shipment document creation for this. we create a PO and an inbound delivery with respect to PO and GR with respect to inbound. we enter the freight cost as a condition in the PO. during invoice verification this is posted in FI. finally we create a customer billing after this.
But if we want to bring the same freight to customer invoice, how can this be possible?
Even if we follow shipment creation and shipment cost creation for inbound delivery, how can we bring the freight cost in a customer billing document which is with respect to sales order?
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Hi Karthik,
I know one SAP Pilot note can resolve this issue.
You may consider raising a BCP incident in component SD-BIL-IV.
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Hello Chandra,
Thanks for the reply but this setting has been tested here and it will not, unfortunately, change the timing of the Billing Due List update. All it does is tell SAP where to get the billed qty from. The 'E' says to get it from the Goods Receipt while the 'F' says to pull it from the vendor's invoice.
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For third-party order related billing based on GR

Hi Gurus,
I have special requirement.
In third party Processing we want to do statistical goods Goods Receipt.
generally we do billing based on the setting in Item category TAS billing relevance "F" So system will allow billing once we do MIRO.
Now i want to Do billing based on GRN.. is there any way for that????
I tried with the option "G" . but it is not working. Is there any Settings i need to in Copy controls.?????
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A     Delivery-related billing document
B     Relevant for order-related billing - status acc.to order qty
C     Relevant for ord.-related billing - status acc.to target qty
D     Relevant for pro forma
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H     Delivery-related billing - no zero quantities
I     Order-relevant billing - billing plan
J     Relevant for deliveries across EU countries
K     Delivery-related invoices for partial quantity
L     Pro forma - no zero quantities
M     Delivery-related invoices-no zero qtys (incl main batch itm)
N     Pro forma - no zero quantities (including main batch items)
P     Delivery-related invoices for CSFG - No batch split items
Q     Delivery-related invoices for CRM
R     Delivery-related invoices for CRM - No zero quantities
S     IBS-DI: Order-Related Bill. Doc. with DP w/o Billing Plan
T     Delivery-related CRM billing with IC billing in CRM
U     Deliv.-rel. CRM billing w. IC billing in CRM - no zero qties
your immediate Reply will be highly appreciated .
Thanks
Pradeep

Hi
You can make the control setting as to whether the invoice receipt quantity or the goods receipt quantity should be relevant for billing in the copy control for billing on the item level in the billing quantity field.
In Customizing, choose Sales and Distribution -> Billing -> Billing documents -> Maintain Copying Control for Billing Documents -> Copying Control: Delivery to Billing Document -> Item, then select an item category.
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Third Party Sale order Billing Before Before MM Billing

Hi,
In our company case . we are not dependent for MM billing . Our Sale order billing is independent and it's on the daily bases.
i have done following changes
item category to TAS
VoV7 'TAS' Billing Relevance to 'B' Relevant for order-related billing - status according to order quantity
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error messages:
Message no. VF17 Document 15000962 does not contain any items with open quantities
Message no VF147 1015000962 000010 No open billing quantity has been determined
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What does it mean by don't want to depend upon MM?
How the vendor delivery the goods if you create only PR ? with ref to PR vendor delivery the goods?
PR is not a legal document unlike PO which is legal document, in standard with ref to PO , MIGO MIRO are created.
Also you mentioned
note: Vender send us hard copy of desptaches after one week. so with that we invocie our PO.
After one week how does the PO comes into picture will you create PO with ref to PR after dispatch notification comes to you after one week by vendor then you do MIGO and MRIO?
Please note : In 3rd party sales we have two kinds of process.
1. 3rd party sales with out shipping notification( this is SAP standard, settings already available no need any changes)
Here we do the customer invoice after vendor payment only...
2. 3rd party sales with shipping notification(here we need to do small changes as i mentioned above)
in the process you need not to wait till the vendor payment(MIRO), as per your requirement you can bill the customer before vendor payment(MIRO)...But here MIGO is mandatory.However it is dummy MIGO( no inventory updates).
Actualy , we don't want to Depend upon MM. Because, we have to update our customers ledger with creation of Sale order and PR.
Beacuse we want to update our customer ledger on daily bases.
Let us assume you are creating customer invoice with ref to sales order and in your case you mentioned you won't do MIGO or MIRO before customer invoice creation so in this case for how much qty you bill the customer on daily basis?
If the vendor delivery goods lesser qty than order qty then how do you manage with out doing MIGO or MIRO?
Please answer the above questions?
You may able to create customer invoice with ref to order with out MIGO or MIRO by changing some copy control but you can't bill the exact qty to the customer if you don't do MIGO or MIGO.
So i suggest you to go with 3rd party sales with shipping notifications .
Here sale order( VA01)
PO (with ref PR).
MIGO( dummy MIGO)
VF01( customer invoice)
MIRO( vendor payment)
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I have one isseu related to tax determination in third party order related billing document.
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I have an issue in regards to using milestone billing with a third party order..
We currently use third party ordering to ship goods direct to our customers from our parent company in France. This process works well. I know have a scenario where our customer wishes to pay for goods in 2 installments . When they place their 3rd Party order they pay 50% of the total price up front then pay the remaining 50% plus an additional fee of 5% after 12 months. I have configured a new milestone billing plan for this scenario but I am unable to raise a billing document for the customer.
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Hi Mark,
This is expected in standard scenario.
In third party scenario, the billing relevance is either E or F in the item category.
If A, you can do invoice only for the quantity for which MIGO is done.
If F, you can do invoice only for teh quantity for which MIRO is done.
Your non-biling plan scenario is working fine, becos you are doing MIRO.
It is not workign in billing plan as you are not doing MIRO here.
So,
If you want to do partial billign in billign plan, you have to do MIRO for partial quantity and then do billing. In this case, only that part of teh invoice value will be used for creating the invoice.
However, I would suggest you to use someother item category for third party item with billing plan which doesnot have billign relevance as A or F, but has B or C. Then try doing billign as per billing plan. It will work.

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We will implement third party billing, but in our case the stock will be stored by us, not a third party company.
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Lionel
The moot point is ' Is it your company's sale?' and 'should this sale be counted into your company's income or not?'. I am guessing it is not (your income).
You are buying it, you are paying for it ( i am assuming because you said 'we are billed for it'), you are storing it and selling it, but only the invoice must show "billed on behalf of XXX company".
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As you rightly mentioned also need a material master data field like material group or status so that you don't sell this from your comapny.
If it is your income and you want just to indicate differently ( I doubt if it is legal), then you just use standard text to print " "billed on behalf of XXX company".
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In Third party sales, Part of MM..?

Hi guru's
Can explain about third party sales and what is major part of work for MM in that.
1.Please send me the overall flow in Third party sales process with Transaction codes.
thanks
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THIRD PARTY SCENARIO
in third-party order processing, your company does not deliver the items requested by a customer. Instead, you pass the order along to a third-party vendor who then ships the goods directly to the customer and bills you. A sales order may consist partly or wholly of third-party items. Occasionally, you may need to let a vendor deliver items you would normally deliver yourself.
Process Flow
the processing of third-party orders is controlled via material types. Material types define whether a material is produced only internally can be ordered only from third-party vendors, or whether both are possible. For example, a material that is defined as a trading good can only be ordered from a third-party vendor. However, if you manufacture your own finished products, you may also want, from time to time, to be able to order the same type of product from other vendors.
Processing Third-Party Orders in Sales
Third-party items can be created automatically by the system, depending on how your system is set. However, you can also change a standard item to a third-party item during sales processing manually.
Automatic third-party order processing:-
if a material is always delivered from one or more third-party vendors, you can specify in the material master that the material is a third-party item. During subsequent sales order processing, the system automatically determines the appropriate item category for a third-party item: TAS. To specify a material as a third-party item, enter BANS in the Item category group field in the Sales 2 screen of the material master record.
Manual third-party order processing
In the case of a material that you normally deliver yourself but occasionally need to order from a third-party vendor, you can overwrite the item category during sales order processing. For a material that you normally deliver yourself, you specify the item category group NORM in the material master.
If, as an exception, you use a third-party material, change the entry TAN to TAS in the ItCa field when processing the sales document. The item is then processed as third-party item.
If address data for the ship-to party is changed in the sales order in third-party business transactions, the changed data will automatically be passed on to purchase requisition and also to the purchase order ,if one already exists. In the purchase order, you can display the address data for the ship-to party in the attributes for the item.
You can only change the address data for the ship-to party in the sales order for third-party business transactions, and not in the purchase order.
Processing Third-Party Orders in Purchasing
when you save a sales order that contains one or more third-party items, the system automatically creates a purchase requisition in Purchasing. Each third-party item in a sales order automatically generates a corresponding purchase requisition item. During creation of the requisition, the system automatically determines a vendor for each requisition item. If a sales order item has more than one schedule line, the system creates a purchase requisition item for each schedule line.
Purchase orders are created from purchase requisitions in the usual way. For more information about creating purchase orders, see the Purchasing documentation. During creation of the purchase order, the system automatically copies the delivery address of your customer from the corresponding sales order. In a sales order, you can enter purchase order texts for each third-party item. When you create the corresponding purchase order, the texts are automatically copied into the purchase order. The number of the purchase order appears in the document flow information of the sales order.
All changes made in the purchase order are automatically made in the sales order as well. For example, if the vendor confirms quantities and delivery dates different from those you request and enters them in the purchase order, the revised data is automatically copied into the sales order
you process third-party items by creating a normal sales order. In overview for the order, you can then overwrite the default item category (TAN in the standard system) with the special item category for third-party items: TAS
Billing Third-Party Orders
If relevance for billing indicator for the item category has been set to B (relevant for order-related billing on the basis of the order quantity) in Customizing, the system includes the order in the billing due list immediately. If, however, the indicator has been set to F (relevant to order-related billing on the basis of the invoice quantity), the system does not include the order in the billing due list until an invoice from the vendor has been received and processed by the purchasing department. In the standard system, item category TAS (third-party order processing) has been given billing-relevance indicator F.
In the first case, the third-party order is considered to be completely billed only when the invoiced quantity equals the order quantity of the sales order item. In the second case, each time a vendor invoice is received, a customer invoice is created for the quantity in the vendor invoice and the order is considered to be fully invoiced until the next vendor invoice is received.
If you have activated billing-relevance indicator F for item categories in Customizing, billing can refer to the goods receipt quantity instead of the incoming invoice quantity.
You can control whether the invoice receipt quantity or the quantity of goods received is relevant for billing in Customizing for copying control for billing at item level.
FOR YOUR PROCESS Individual Purchase Orders WELL GIVE THE RIGHT SOLUTION
Individual purchase orders are used when your customer orders goods from you that are not in stock and must be ordered from one or more external vendors.
Process Flow
During sales order entry, the system automatically creates a purchase requisition item. The purchasing department creates a purchase order based on the requisition and the vendor ships the goods directly to you (unlike third party order processing, where the vendor ships directly to your customer). You then ship the goods to your customer. While the goods are part of your inventory, you manage them as part of the sales order stock. Sales order stock consists of stock that is assigned to specific sales orders and cannot be used for other purposes.
Process Flow for 3rd Party Sales
Customize the third party sales in summary:
Prerequisites for 3rd party sales,
Purchasing org,
purchasing group,
assign the Purchase org to company code
assign Purchase org to plant,
should not maintain the stock in material, it should be trading goods,
1. Create Vendor XK01
2. Create Material Material Type as "Trading Goods". Item category group as "BANS".
3. Assign Item Category TAS to Order type that you are going to use.
4. A sale order is created and when saved a PR is generated at the background
5. With reference to SO a PO is created (ME21N). The company raises PO to the vendor.
6. Vendor delivers the goods and raises bill to company. MM receives the invoice MIRO
7. Goods receipt MIGO
8. Goods issue
9. The item cat TAS or Schedule line cat CS is not relevant for delivery which is evident from the config and, therefore, there is no delivery process attached in the whole process of Third party sales.
10. Billing *--
i think this will be helpful to you

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