Understanding aspect ratios in FC and Photoshop

Hi all. Two questions regarding aspect ratio:
1. I'm editing with footage from a Canon MK2 camera. My computer tells me the footage is 1920 X 1080 but it looks 16/9. Why is that?
2. When I make a still (Tiff) in Final Cut from the same footage and bring it into Photoshop, it says image size 1440 X 1080, but it looks 4:3. Why? What is the best way to get the picture back into 16/9 - a. change image size to 1920 X 1080 b. leave image size as is and change pixel aspect ratio to HDV 1080 (1.33), or c. some method I haven't tried? Methods 1 and 2 appear to fix the problem and the results are practically identical. But I'm confused about the process and would like to understand these numbers.
Thanks in advance for help.

1. Because 1920:1080 = 16:9 (1920/16=120 120x9=1080)
2. Because your sequence settings are 1440x1080 which is anamorphic.
b makes the most sense to me as a fix.

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I don't understand why there would be mixed resolutions if I shot everything the same. There was originally a 3:2 pulldown but I removed it prior to sending to Color.
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