Unicode ERP and non-unicode Dealer Business Management 5.00(DBM)

Hi All,
We are going to adapt SAP Dealer Business Management 5.00(DBM)industry-specific solution to our local(serbian)language.For this we need following install steps:
1.ERP ECC 5.0
2.DIMP ECC 5.0
3.DBM 5.0
Is it possible to proceeds on sach way because we have Unicode ERP ECC 5.0, but on other hand DBM 5.0 is non-unicod?
In case it is possible, please give me some ideas on it.
Thanks in advance
Predrag

Hi Predrag,
How is DBM installed? In the same system as an add-on or a separate system? If it's an add-on, then they would have to have the same codepage. If it's in a separate system, then there are some possible data loss "issues" when the sending system is Unicode and the receiving system is non-Unicode. If the sending system sends a character that is not on the recieving system's codepage, the data is "garbage". There are no such problems with Unicode->Unicode and non-Unicode->Unicode communication.
Best Regards,
Matt

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