Want to downgrade from Leopard to Tiger - what are my options?

Hi,
I installed Leopard on my partner's iBook G4 (1.2ghz) and its speed has reduced to a crawl. I would like to go back and re-install Tiger from its original install discs but need to retain the home folder. What are my options and am I going to come across any issues downgrading? (aside from any apps that require Leopard)
Thanks,
Neil

If you had an external FireWire hard disk drive enclosure,
of the bootable-type chipset, Mac compatible, and chose
to clone the Leopard full installation to that external drive
(as most externals do have or can be equipped with a
faster spinning hard disk drive, it boots performance and
could be used at home for desktop computing) it is very
possible to clone the OS X and everything off the iBook
and again try your luck with Tiger 10.4.11 in the iBook.
If clones appear to be an option, be certain the cloned
computer contents (a full computer clone) is made on
a partitioned hard disk drive in proper enclosure; and
the clone is tested prior to erasing the host computer's
original drive contents. You can make clones and then
there are Clones. Some can just work, but once in
awhile, they don't. The two well known clone utilities
are good options, and reading up on the topic helps.
re: Carbon Copy Cloner, Bombich; and Super Duper.
Free space may be at a premium in the small internal
hard disk drive of the iBook; and older previous system
folders, saved from other Archives, Updates, etc may
have to be looked for, and trashed if they exist.
The latest iLife 09 was not recommended in some
hardware configurations by users and others who
tried that version in older PPC hardware; the iTunes
is a download, so it should work in Tiger equally well.
The iDVD and iMovie, may have issues; iPhoto is
OK in some older PPC G4s and not others.
And older applications added to the installation which
worked well under Tiger may not be happy in Leopard.
And your mileage may vary...
Good luck & happy computing!

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Starting the computer in "safe mode": Mac OS X: What is Safe Boot, Safe Mode?

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