Web design color suggestion

Hi to all, i am new here in kuler and new to web design. I have a website about PS3 and now i am in redesign process of whole site, i want to ask you what will be the best color variation for my site since you are more experts in designing. my sites url is www.ps3world.gr and i would love to hear to your suggestions, my color picks are: R:0 G:0 B:0 , R:177 G:1 B: 3, R:135 G:187 B:1, and finally R:2 G:0 B:189 .

Hey dippetas,
Kuler can help you to find color combinations that you like, you might try going to http://kuler.adobe.com/
and entering some of the RGB values you listed as the base color and then selecting rules to find variations or related colors based on where they fall on the color wheel. Here are some screen shots for reference and I drew red boxes around some of the areas I referenced.
Cool site, good luck
-Dave
(click pictures to view larger)
Also, here is a link to the Kuler help which might also be useful for you.
http://kuler.adobe.com/links/kuler_help.html

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Vocabulary for web design and beyond

Anyone tackling web design will encounter dozens of unfamiliar terms. I have compiled together this glossary to help them. I may update and expand in the future. Until then, feel free to use or pass along.
Some of these terms don’t relate strictly to web design, but also to computer graphics and computer programming generally, as I’ve found that such terms are also important to reading and understanding any tutorials or other materials on web design.
Asynchronous (1) General use. Not synchronous; not occurring or existing at the same time or having the same period or phase. (2) Digital communication. Pertaining to a transmission technique that does not require a common clock between the communicating devices; timing signals are instead derived from special characters in the data stream.
Bitmap image Image that uses geometrical primitives such as points, lines, curves, and shapes, which are all based on mathematical equations. In a bitmap image, each pixel on a display screen is assigned at least one bit to indicate whether the pixel should reflect the background color, the foreground color, or some other color. each pixel in the bitmap might have 16, 24, or 48 bits of information associated with it. The more bits, the greater the resolution of the bitmap – and the larger the file. Compare Vector image.
C (programming language) General-purpose computer programming language developed in 1972 by Dennis Ritchie at the Bell Telephone Laboratories for use with the Unix operating system. It was designed for implementing system software and is also widely used for developing portable application software. C has greatly influenced many other popular programming languages, most notably C++, which began as an extension to C.
C++ Statically typed, free-form, multi-paradigm, compiled, general-purpose programming language. It was developed by Bjarne Stroustrup starting in 1979 at Bell Labs as an enhancement to the C language and originally named C with Classes. It was renamed C++ in 1983.
Cache Component that transparently stores data so that future requests for that data can be served faster. The data that is stored within a cache might be values that have been computed earlier or duplicates of original values that are stored elsewhere. If requested data is contained in the cache (cache hit), this request can be served by simply reading the cache, which is comparatively faster. Otherwise (cache miss), the data has to be recomputed or fetched from its original storage location, which is comparatively slower.
Cascading Style Sheet (CSS) Style sheet language used to describe the presentation semantics (the look and formatting) of a document written in a markup language. Its most common application is to style web pages written in HTML and XHTML, but the language can also be applied to any kind of XML document, including SVG and XUL.
ColdFusion Programming language based on standard HTML that is used to write dynamic webpages. It allows for the creation of pages that differ depending on user input, database lookups, time of day, or other criteria. ColdFusion pages consist of standard HTML tags together with CFML (ColdFusion Markup Language) tags such as <CFQUERY>, <CFIF> and <CFLOOP>. ColdFusion was introduced by Allaire in 1996, acquired by Macromedia in a merger in April 2001, and acquired by Adobe in December 2005.
Compound selector Can be used to combine two or more style rules to create a style definition that displays only when one style is contained within another. Compound styles are useful when you want to do something like use the Heading 1 tag multiple times to format headlines in different ways on the same web page. For example, you could create one style for headlines that appear in the main story area of a page and then create another style for headlines that appear in the sidebar on the page and still use the Heading 1 tag to format both. Compound styles are created by combining ID, class, or tag styles and look like this: #sidebar h1.
Contextual selector A type of Style Sheet Selector that
CRE Loaded Open source online store management and shopping cart system for e-commerce from Chain Reaction eCommerce. It is based on osCommerce, runs on any LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) web server, and is supported by an active international community of users and developers. For a monthly subscription ($10/mo. as of 2011), CRE Loaded allows small and medium-sized merchants to accept credit card payments in a web site that mirrors their own online stores.
CSS See Cascading Style Sheet.
Dynamic HTML (DHTML) Umbrella term for a collection of technologies used together to create interactive and animated web sites by using a combination of a static markup language (such as HTML), a client-side scripting language (such as JavaScript), a presentation definition language (such as CSS), and the Document Object Model. DHTML allows scripting languages to change variables in a web page's definition language, which in turn affects the look and function of otherwise “static” HTML page content, after the page has been fully loaded and during the viewing process.
ECMA International International membership-based non-profit standards organization for information and communication systems.
ECMAScript Scripting language standardized by Ecma International in the ECMA-262 specification and ISO/IEC 16262. The language is widely used for client-side scripting on the web, in the form of several well-known dialects such as JavaScript, JScript, and ActionScript.
Extensible HyperText Markup Language (XHTML) Family of XML markup languages that mirror or extend versions of the widely used HTML, the language in which web pages are written. While HTML (prior to HTML5) was defined as an application of Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML), a very flexible markup language framework, XHTML is an application of XML, a more restrictive subset of SGML. Because XHTML documents need to be well-formed, they can be parsed using standard XML parsers—unlike HTML, which requires a lenient HTML-specific parser.
Extensible Markup Language Set of rules for encoding documents in machine-readable form. It is defined in the XML 1.0 Specification produced by the W3C, and several other related specifications, all gratis open standards. Its design goals emphasize simplicity, generality, and usability over the Internet. It is a textual data format with strong support via Unicode for the languages of the world. Known by its acronym XML.
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Hypermedia Graphics, audio, video, plain text and hyperlinks that intertwine to create a generally non-linear medium of information. This contrasts with the broader term multimedia, which may be used to describe non-interactive linear presentations as well as hypermedia. The World Wide Web is a classic example of hypermedia, whereas a non-interactive cinema presentation is an example of standard multimedia due to the absence of hyperlinks.
Hypertext Text displayed on a computer or other electronic device with references (hyperlinks) to other text that the reader can immediately access, usually by a mouse click or keypress sequence.
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Hypertext preprocessor (PHP) Widely used, general-purpose scripting language that was originally designed for web development to produce dynamic web pages. It brings life to websites by communicating with external data sources, such as databases, news feeds, and XML documents. PHP code is embedded into the HTML source document and interpreted by a web server with a PHP processor module, which generates the web page document. PHP 3 was launched in 1998; PHP 4 was released in 2000; and PHP 5 was released in 2005.
Java Programming language released in 1995 as a core component of Sun Microsystems' Java platform. The language derives much of its syntax from C and C++ but has a simpler object model and fewer low-level facilities. Java applications are typically compiled to bytecode (class file) that can run on any Java Virtual Machine (JVM) regardless of computer architecture. Java is a general-purpose, concurrent, class-based, object-oriented language that is specifically designed to have as few implementation dependencies as possible. It is intended to let application developers "write once, run anywhere". Java is currently one of the most popular programming languages in use, and is widely used from application software to web applications.[
JavaScript Implementation of the ECMAScript language standard and is typically used to enable programmatic access to computational objects within a host environment. It can be characterized as a prototype-based object-oriented scripting language that is dynamic, weakly typed and has first-class functions.
JPEG Commonly used method of Lossy compression for digital photography that was named after the Joint Photographic Experts Group, which created the standard. The degree of compression can be adjusted, allowing a selectable tradeoff between storage size and image quality. JPEG typically achieves 10:1 compression with little perceptible loss in image quality.
Linux Family of Unix-like computer operating systems using the Linux kernel (central OS component). Linux can be installed on a wide variety of computer hardware, ranging from mobile phones, tablet computers and video game consoles, to mainframes and supercomputers. The development of Linux is one of the most prominent examples of free and open source software collaboration; typically all the underlying source code can be used, freely modified, and redistributed, both commercially and non-commercially, by anyone under licenses such as the GNU General Public License.
Lossy compression Data encoding method which discards (loses) some of the data, in order to achieve its goal, with the result that decompressing the data yields content that is different from the original, though similar enough to be useful in some way. Lossy compression is most commonly used to compress multimedia data (audio, video, still images), especially in applications such as streaming media and internet telephony. By contrast, lossless compression is required for text and data files, such as bank records, text articles, etc.
MySQL Relational database management system that runs as a server providing multi-user access to a number of databases. The MySQL development project has made its source code available under the terms of the GNU General Public License, as well as under a variety of proprietary agreements. Acronym for “My Structured Query Language.”
Open source Describes practices in production and development that promote access to the end product's source materials. Before the term open source became widely adopted, developers and producers used a variety of phrases to describe the concept; open source gained hold with the rise of the Internet, and the attendant need for massive retooling of the computing source code.
osCommerce Open source Commerce. It allows store owners to setup, run, and maintain their online stores with minimum effort and with no costs involved. Combines open source solutions to provide a free and open development platform, which includes the PHP web scripting language, the Apache web server, and the MySQL database server. With no restrictions or special requirements, osCommerce can be installed on any PHP3 or PHP4 enabled web server, on any environment that PHP and MySQL supports, which includes Linux, Solaris, BSD, and Microsoft Windows environments.
PHP See Hypertext preprocessor.
Rasterization The process of converting a Vector image into a Bitmap image.
Rasterize See Rasterization.
Shopping cart software Software used in e-commerce to assist people making purchases online. The software allows online shopping customers to accumulate a list of items for purchase. Upon checkout, the software typically calculates a total for the order, including shipping and handling (i.e. postage and packing) charges and the associated taxes.
Style sheet selector One of the two parts of a CSS rule (the other being the properties, or declaration block) that declares which of the markup elements a style applies to. Selectors may apply to all elements of a specific type, or only those elements that match a certain attribute (e.g., how they are placed relative to each other in the markup code, or on how they are nested within the document object model). There are many types of style sheet selectors: element selectors, which select by element name; class selectors, which select by class name; contextual selectors, which select by context based on parent elements (what the element is nested within or what precedes it in the document), etc..
Supercomputer Computer that is at the frontline of current processing capacity, particularly speed of calculation. Supercomputers are typically one-of-a-kind custom designs produced by companies such as Cray, IBM and Hewlett-Packard, who had purchased many of the 1980s companies to gain their experience. Since October 2010, the Tianhe-1A supercomputer, located in China, has been the fastest in the world.
Tag Non-hierarchical keyword or term assigned to a piece of information (such as an Internet bookmark, digital image, or computer file). This kind of metadata helps describe an item and allows it to be found again by browsing or searching. Tags are generally chosen informally and personally by the item's creator or by its viewer, depending on the system. HTML tags include paragraph, heading 1, heading 2, etc.
Unix Computer operating system originally developed in 1969 by a group of AT&T employees at Bell Labs. The Unix operating system was first developed in assembly, which is machine-dependent and a low-level programming language. Ken Thompson created the B language in 1969 and Unix was written in the B language, a high-level programming language. The first Unix system written in C was released in November 1973.
Vector image Image made up of numerous individual, scalable objects. These objects are defined by mathematical equations rather than pixels, so they always render at the highest quality. Objects may consist of lines, curves, and shapes with editable attributes such as color, fill, and outline. Changing the attributes of a vector object does not effect the object itself. Compare Bitmap image.
Vector processor Central processing unit (CPU) that implements an instruction set containing instructions that operate on one-dimensional arrays of data called vectors. This is in contrast to a scalar processor, whose instructions operate on single data items. Also known as array processor.
Web analytics Measurement, collection, analysis and reporting of internet data, including the number of visitors and page views, for understanding and optimizing web usage. It can be used as a tool for measuring website traffic and for business and market research. Web analytics applications can also help companies measure the results of traditional print advertising campaigns. It helps one to estimate how the traffic to the website changed after the launch of a new advertising campaign.
Web design Design of the way that content is delivered to an end-user through the World Wide Web, using a web browser or other web-enabled software.
Web development Refers to the work involved in developing a web site for the Internet (World Wide Web) or an intranet (a private network). This can include Web design, web content development, client liaison, client-side/server-side scripting, web server and network security configuration, and e-commerce development. However, among web professionals, "web development" usually refers to the main non-design aspects of building web sites: writing markup and coding. Web development can range from developing the simplest static single page of plain text to the most complex web-based internet applications, electronic businesses, or social network services.
World Wide Web Consortium Main international standards organization for the World Wide Web. It is made up of member organizations which maintain full-time staff for the purpose of working together in the development of standards for the World Wide Web. Known by its acronym W3C.
XHTML See Extensible HyperText Markup Language.
XML See Extensible Markup Language.
Zend Engine Open source scripting engine (a Virtual Machine) commonly known for the important role it plays in the web automation language PHP.

Thanks for posting this!
I would only mention that your definition is incomplete for this -
Contextual selector A type of Style Sheet Selector that
and that it's most often referred to now as a Descendent selector, not a contextual selector. It's basically the same as the Compound selector that you have already defined....

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CMS's like WordPress, Joomla! & Drupal are popular open source (PHP & MySql) frameworks. They contain all the backend PHP code needed to create a dynamic web site that contains capability for advanced functions: site search, on-line editing, shopping carts, member log-in sites, blogs with comments, scripted contact forms, and so much more...
The allure of Open Source frameworks is that they save developers time and money. Instead of building everything from scratch (which can take months), an experienced developer can usually install WordPress on the client's server and be up & running in a few hours without customizations, or in a couple of weeks with customizations.   A firm understanding of PHP, how to set up a server-side database, backing up MySql, CSS theming, and HTML code are required skills to work with these frameworks. WordPress is probably the easiest to set-up; Drupal is for more experienced coders.
I am still not sure how I will know when I am competent enough to work in Web Design... What are the best signs that an individual is good enough?
You're ready when you can look at code and understand what it means/does. Being able to problem solve, identify mistakes and fix them on your own is a must have skill.
Code Tutorials - http://w3schools.com/
How to Develop with CSS?
http://phrogz.net/css/HowToDevelopWithCSS.html
CSS positioning in 10 Steps
http://www.barelyfitz.com/screencast/html-training/css/positioning/
Code Validation Tools
CSS - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
HTML - http://validator.w3.org/
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Web | Graphics | Print | Media Specialists
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Web Design to display on Safari, IE, Firefox

I don't know where's the best place to post this, so I'm starting here and I'm open to suggestions.
My web design company, which happens to be PC based, is giving me mixed messages about designing a website so that the layout display is consistent across the major browsers, eg. Safari, IE, and Firefox.
First, it's my understanding that a pro web designer knows how to design a website so that you can navigate it using Safari, IE, or Firefox, and have the layout appear the same (except for maybe a pixel or two difference).
After one of their staff told me it could be designed to look and work consistently in all 3 browsers, another one of their staff claims that the exception is Safari. A site that looks right on IE and Firefox won't simultaneously look the same or "right" on Safari because it's a problem with Safari.
He claims that he talked directly with the "Safari" people at Apple who confirmed this "problem" with Safari and said that Apple is working on this.
Other designers tell me that a pro designer can design a site to be consistent on all 3 browsers.
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Mac G4 450 SP Mac OS X (10.3.8)

The site looks good and functions with no problems when I check it on Safari and IE.
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No, iWeb has not gone anywhere. It is correct that Apple no longer sells it or supports it, but iWeb is an application like any other on your mac and if you have it you can most definitely still continue to use it. It works with Snow Leopard, Lion and Mountain Lion and by all accounts, it will work with the new Mavericks too.
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Hello There,
I have been using iWeb for a while now, and despite its limitations, I like it. Now that Apple has discontinued (or will discontinue) MobileMe and some of the features wont be available any more, I decided to move to another web-design program.
I have downloaded the trial of rapidweaver (the one with the 3 page limit) so I could play with it and see what it was like. It is HORRIBLE, it is not easy to use, importing pictures seems pretty impossible. I cant insert pictures like I can in iWeb, I cant drag things around like I can in iWeb - the whole program seems to be template and text based.
I don't really know how to do coding or anything, so I am not looking for a fancy web-design tool that costs a fortune. But I want something that I can actually use. I want to do the following;
Create pages from scratch if I want to
Insert images and reposition them
Insert images into my text and aline them
Have a blog
Have a photo gallery
insert movies (when I want to share them)
have a chat room
Have a nice looking site without having to do any serious heavy coding (because I don't really know how to)
Can someone please suggest to me a good website design program that is comparable to iWeb and with which I can replace the afore mentioned iWeb. Eervyone says RapidWeaver, but I really didnt like it.

Just to promote iWeb for a bit more read the following in case you hadn't considered it:
As you now know iWeb and iDVD have been discontinued by Apple. This is evidenced by the fact that new Macs are shipping with iLife 11 installed but without iWeb and iDVD.
On June 30, 2012 MobileMe will be shutdown. HOWEVER, iWeb will still continue to work but without the following:
Features No Longer Available Once MobileMe is Discontinued:
◼ Password protection
◼ Blog and photo comments
◼ Blog search
◼ Hit counter
◼ MobileMe Gallery
Currently if the site is published directly from iWeb to the 3rd party server the RSS feed and slideshow subscription features will work. However, if the site is first published to a folder on the hard drive and then uploaded to the sever with a 3rd party FTP client those two features will be broken.
All of these features can be replaced with 3rd party options.
There's another problem and that's with iWeb's popup slideshows. Once the MMe servers are no longer online the popup slideshow buttons will not display their images.
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However, Roddy McKay and I have figured out a way to modify existing sites with those slideshows and iWeb itself so that those images will display as expected once MobileMe servers are gone. How to is described in this tutorial: iW14 - Modify iWeb So Popup Slideshows Will Work After MobileMe is Discontinued.
NOTE: the iLife 11 boxed version Is no longer available at the online Apple Store. To get a copy you'll have to try Amazon.com or eBay.com.
Now that being said there's been a lot of discussion on replacements to iWeb. Most of the applications are template driven and make it difficult to start with a clean page. Roddy has more experience in evalutating those apps. I decided on Flux. It's a drag and drop, WYSIWYG application with easy code insertion. If you've ever added a 3rd party slideshow to an iWeb page with an HTML snippet you can view this Flux tutorial page on how I did it with Flux: F03 - Adding a SimpleViewer Slideshow to a Web Page or this tutorial on adding a multi page PDF document to a web page: F02 - Adding a PDF Document to a Web Page.
I have to admit it takes a little study but the video tutorials at the Flux site and those 3rd party videos on YouTube help quite a bit.
If you search this community for "iWeb alternatives" you should get a list of topics discussing the other alternatives.
OT

Need Good Web design books - already a print designer

I'm already very familiar with photoshop, illustator, and indesign and have been using them for years. I'm now looking to start learing web design and need suggestions on a good book or books that aren't just about dreamweaver or fireworks, but rather something covering the intergration of applications as well as the basics. Any suggestions?
thanks

daevaux,
For a start, you may have a look at the one mentioned by Kath in this thread: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/437013?tstart=0
Her post itself is also worth reading, as always.

Web design in photoshop

I wanted to know if I buy the program Photoshop I can draw sites like this www.vmnetwork.ru (not many colors, but glow black and white)? or are needed for this are that the specialized programs, whether training with the program?
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You can certainly make the graphics for any web site with Photoshop, but it is not a web design tool per se. It's an image editor first and foremost, with some handy features for helping you with web work (e.g., Save for Web & Devices, slicing, fancy text and layer effects, 3D, etc.).
To determine if it's the right software for you, you may want to consider downloading the 30 day free trial of Photoshop CS5.
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshopextended/
There are many, many references and training materials available to help you learn Photoshop. I can't recommend any one in particular, but I'll bet there are those on this forum who can.
-Noel

SiteGrinder (PS plug-in) web design question answered

Over at http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?128@@.59b4e1c9 we've been discussing SiteGrinder, the PS plug-in which converts Photoshop designs to working websites.
One of the posters had concerns about the SG coding. (I don't know if he's used the plug-in.) He pointed out that on their users' sample sites at http://www.medialab.com/sitegrinder , if you enlarge the text with cmd-+, everything gets crowded and overlaps. I noted that this is a common problem with most/all sites, regardless of their origins. He responded:
>It's common -- far too common -- but not inevitable. It's bound to happen with SG, though, because they carve up the layout into fixed size chunks and then use absolute positioning, so there's no way for the containers to accommodate changes in font size except by crashing into each other, or growing scroll bars, which is only sometimes going to work. For the same reason -- starting with a single Photoshop image -- they can't identify headings or lists, so the pages aren't properly accessible to some assistive technology. If you don't care about accessibility, you should realize that this also means that they become hard or impossible for search engines to analyze, so people aren't going to find your site so easily.
I've only just downloaded the SiteGrinder demo, so I couldn't confirm or deny this, so I sent it along to the developer at MediaLab, who replied overnight on a weekend. He says:
>The criticisms are partly true. SiteGrinder uses something called "absolute" positioning as its default. This means that if the text size is increased and the text has been divided into several closely packed layers that after resizing the text may overlap.
>But, while this is the default SiteGrinder positioning behavior, it is not the only option. SiteGrinder supports relative positioning through use of a -grow layer. Content in a grow layer (and the footer below it) won't suffer this problem.
>Also, no website is fully resize resistant to any amount of text size increase. The normal expectation is that a site should accommodate two levels of font size changes in either direction. This can also be accomplished by simply keeping text layers away from each other so they don't crowd one another.
>SiteGrinder does a lot of unseen work for supporting accessibility. It always outputs the content in read order, puts title attributes on graphic buttons, doesn't clutter the HTML with IMG tag graphics ( CSS should be used for design graphics, and that's the SG default - semantically important image layers can be noted as such with the -img hint), properly sets the alt attribute when img tags are used and never puts empty alt="" attributes into the HTML (if you are doing that you should be using CSS for the graphic, not an IMG tag). Also, text -menu layers are nicely converted to UL-LI constructs for you - very important for search engines and accessibility.
>However, SiteGrinder does not yet support header tags, simply because there is no simple way to designate them from Photoshop. However, of all the changes one might want to do downstream, those are by far the easiest. It is our goal for SiteGrinder to one day support header tags in an elegant and seamless way, but I personally don't see their current absence as a big drawback. Why would someone who hand codes HTML be upset if a helper tool didn't put in header tags for them? Hope this helps, Chris
>P.S. SiteGrinder has advanced features for importing HTML, inserting HTML directly into a Photoshop layer, as well as adjusting the HEAD portion of a page. Our more savvy users have no trouble getting header tags into their SiteGrinder builds. And others just put them in downstream.
This is mostly Greek to me (and fortunately SG users don't need to understand most of it, as it happens behind the plug-in scenes) but I'd be interested to hear what other html-savvy folks think.

MediaLab's response is encouraging. It shows that they are aware of the issues and try to do something about it. It suggests though that you won't just be able to go with all the defaults, and you aren't going to understand the options unless you find out something about what's going on behind the scenes, which is really all I've been suggesting you should do. The choice of tools is up to you, if they're capable of doing the job. I will persist in believing that starting from a PSD image is not the right way to go, but I won't argue the point with anyone.
Best of luck starting out in Web design. Watch out for Internet Explorer 6.

Stupid Web Designer

Hi - this is my first post on this forum and reflects my level of desperation!
I'm a Web Designer and a few weeks back a Client of mind asked if I could produce the artwork for their new brochure as I'd designed their website...I stupidly said yes. Having never designed for print before I made some (incorrect) assumptions that I could simply knock something up in AI and it would be a piece of cake - how wrong I was.
Now, having completed the artwork and submitted it to the Printer, they've returned it with a myriad of issues that I never anticipated, nor had any understanding of. I've managed to solve most of them through sheer perseverance and too many hours Googling however, there is one issue which is driving me mad and I'm hoping/praying somebody on this forum can help.
Basically the front cover of this brochure has a group of six images designed to look like a load of old Polaroid photos - this looks fine in AI and as a PDF yet whenever I add trim marks (as the Printer requires), a number of very fine lines appear around this group of images - you can see them on the image attached. They seem very random to me and when I click on the group in the PDF version, all sorts of random blocks in various shapes and sized appear. I've obviously mucked-up badly but quite how I have no idea.
If anyone reading this message has any inkling on how I can fix this, I would be eternally grateful for a solution. My Client is running out of patience and I'm already into the Red on this project so can't even outsource it.
Thanks in advance.

You info seems on th surface to be thorough but I am not certain that is the case for instance.
What seems to be an issue is how you created the collage of images and in what state the result is in?
That is; is it a embedded image or several embedded images, has an effect been applied to the images?
Regardless i think the art should be composed in photoshop and placed as a flattened image into Illustrator
and that a rectangle with no fill or stroke be placed behind the art in the position of the trimming and use that
no fill no stroke box to apply the trim marks. I would then expand the effect applied to the n fill no stroke rectangle
and not involve the art (image).
I would make certain the image is cmyk when saving from Photoshop at the proper size and resolution of the actual printed piece.
Do not scale images in AI that will not preflight well.
The reason you want it CMYK is otherwise Illustrator will do the conversion since you probably have a cmyk color mode selected for you document.
Also you must make certain that your color settings match the profiles you are using for the document in Photoshop and Illustrator and the image.
You must ask the pprinter for any profile they wish ,you to use load it in the proper directory and then load it onto Illustrator and Photoshop.
Or as they used to do in the old days hire a freelancer to do this all for you, watch them and (this is the hard part) learn and listen to them.
BTW I have mostly print experience but do some web work, I feel for you I often receive material from clients laid out in Word and my client want it to look like the printed page, it is hard for them to understand the difference. I stopped trying to get them to follow some basic rules and just find a way of making it work.
It must be just as difficult going the other way. I thought if I created a template that would be it and they would hire web designers to maintain the site
but each person does it differently and no one followed my directive.
I am just warning you once you get this piece working they will give it at some point to another graphic designer and then somewhere down the road they will return to you and it will be a mess. Even if they do not come back to you they will complain when the other designer screws it up.
What your future holds in store for you.
I however have been blessed another client has hired a web designer to do her site. And one that is savvy enough to use tiff originals to start with and not jpegs. Bless her.

Creating standards-compliant web designs with Fireworks CS4 Problems

Hello,
i have some problems with using background image slices.
here is it(from the DevNet arcticle creating standards
compliant web designs with fireworks cs4):
With this feature, seeing really is believing, so let's get
straight to it:
1. Create a new 500 × 500 document.
2. Draw a 200 × 40 rectangle.
3. Set the background color as #000099.
4. Set its fill to be a Linear gradient.
5. Change the first Gradient node's color to #9999FF.
6. Select Edit > Insert > Rectangular Slice.
7.
Change the following properties In the Property Inspector:
* Name: bg_rect
* Width: 1px
* Type: Background Image
* Repeat: repeat-x
* Horizontal position: left
* Vertical position: top
8. Using the Optimize panel, set the slice's export format
to GIF - Exact.
9. Export as bg_slice.htm using CSS and Images.
10. Locate the file and preview it in your primary browser.
i followed these steps exactly but i get no tiled background
only the 200 x 40 rectangle.can anyone tell me what's wrong ?
Kind Regards,

I followed these steps exactly and also viewed the HTML/CSS
exported in Firefox 3.0.5, and the rectangle appeared with the
correctly tiled gradient background. (I'm on a Win XP SP3 machine.)
I tried changing the canvas color to transparent, moving the
rectangle and slice around, changing the width of the slice, and
even changing the horizontal and vertical positioning of the
background image, and the export was still correct. Is it possible
your background image slice is not placed over the gradient? Have
you looked at the CSS exported to confirm that "bg_rect.gif" is
listed as the background image for the DIV and that the .GIF file
is being exported and is a narrow gradient image? Are all of the
export options correct? (There's only a few export options for CSS
and images (.htm), so I doubt this is your problem...)
At risk of asking the obvious, are you using Fireworks CS4
with the updated CSS/HTML extension from the article installed?
HTML/CSS export works differently between CS3 and CS4 - John
Wylie's extension was created for CS3, and Matt Stow updated it for
CS4.

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