What tools for locating rogue APs and adhoc clients ?

Hi all. I was wondering how you locate your rogues. I have WCS with location detection; however, I still have to go out and hunt down the device. It can be difficult when there is a high density of laptops. Right now, I try to attach to unsecured devices and use the Cisco wireless survey utility to home in on the rogue. Please let me know if you use something better. This seems to work better than using netstumbler, but it has the disadvantage of requiring that you attach to it first. If security is enabled, I have to resort to netstumbler. I would appreciate hearing what techniques and tools work for you.
Randy

I have not found and new tools/techniques as of yet. The way I see it the flow goes like this:
1. You detect the rogue over the air waves. WLCs and WCS do a good job of this.
2. With WCS and location detection, you get the aproximate location of the rogue.
3. Then you have to go get the rogue. Sometimes they are easy to find, sometimes they are really hard to even when the location data is good. They could be under or behind a desk, or in an adjacent office.
I have not tried one of the spectrum cards from Cisco. Perhaps that would work better for finding the device once you know roughly where to look.
It seems that most rogues are not APs, but are routers using NAT. That hides the clients wireless mac addresses from the LAN side of your switched network so I don't think it is easy to locate the rogue on the LAN switch based upon what the AP's hear over the air waves - at least that is my experience.
Randy

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