Where is User Order (Manual sort) in V3.5??

I just installed v 3.5 and cannot manually arrange images anymore. Is this a bug? If so it's a huge one.

View/Sort/User Order is greyed out. Also refered to as "manual mode". In gallery mode I used to be able to manually rearrange photos by dragging and dropping them --an order in which they would revert to when "user order" was selected.

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Any way to Restore Last Manual Sort Order or Prevent from being Overwritten accidentally?

     Help!
     I'm constantly accidentally overwriting painstakingly created manual sort ordering (sometimes hours but more often months of accumulated work) in folders with files numbering up to 1,000, when i, however breifly, switch to another sort ordering (size, date modified etc) to check something, immediately forget that i'm in another sort order, and, unthinkingly (actually i guess i'm thinking of a lot of other things) drag a file to another position, this immediately destroys any past manual sorting i've established, overwriting it with this new inadvertent manual ordering.
     I've tried CommandZ (edit undo) but that only undoes my last rating or labeling, i've rushed to force quit Bridge through the activity montior hoping i will catch it before its overwritten, but obviously i am not as fast as a computer, and i don't think this has ever worked.
Is there any way or any script someone has written to formally save a manual sort order? Is there anything i've missed to attempt restoring it? Has anyone, repeatedly foiled by this, written something that would give a warning and require confirmation say for instance, if i tried to drag or move a file while in another sort ordering (this seems like something that should have existed the minute the opportunity was given to create manual organization). Would anyone be willing to?
     Seriously, me forgetting almost every time isn't going to change and, more vexingly, it's even happened when i didn't mean to move anything but fumbled momentarily while in another sort order. I think most people might forget because (in the context of computing) we are conditioned to expect a warning if something we have just created is about to be written over or discarded, and since there is no option to formally save a manual ordering we have just created.
     Also, if this was in the real world, moving a single file would not reshuffle everything on your desk. If i had the option to formally save a manual organization i would NOT forget to do this and would use it, as i've wished for one every time spent a while rearranging files. Knowing how easily all the hours (much less months and years of cumulative work) of organizational work can be accidentally lost makes working within Bridge unpleasantly anxious.
      I'm literally willing to do anything including installing some sketchy 3rd-part scripts (though honestly i have no idea what that means or how to do it). I extentively use and rely heavily upon this function so this is a fairly serious Achille's heel. It's like watching your incredibly important meticulously constructed house of cards collapse with a careless but innocent sigh, or like having the equivelent of a not even charming cat dance across your keyboard during a live concert, etc etc....
     Also it is not usually appropriate, given the context, to batch rename everything to preserve a manual ordering w sequence numbers, etc. Often the filenames are considerably (but necessarily, to connote important differences) long already, and when i have to rearrange things in the future would have to do that each time, etc, etc, making for even more unwieldly filenames that didn't have any substantive information at the beginning. I'm looking for a way to make this function (manual sort ordering), well, more functional, secure and stable, the workarounds i've considered cause too many additonal problems.
     Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to offer, and as this is my first attempt to use the forums as i live on a boat with no regular net access, would appreciate any forum etiquette corrections, and advance apologies for any misspellings, dyslexic and spellcheck does not seem to work in this interface. next time will edit in external wordprocessing program beforehand,
          li'l mc szpf
     PS i'm on a 27" mac w CS4 Design Premium, w up to the minute OS (10.6.8) and Adobe software updates installed recently (i do not often move the monster but this week was housesitting w net access, so she has had all recommended shots and vaccinations....)
     PPS I know most of y'all might be running the newest and the latest of everything, but, i'm fairly certain this is still a problem in recent versions as this has happened to me at school where all the macs are running cs5. Though if it's been addressed somehow in cs6 would update entire suite just to fix this one problem in Bridge. I've tried many searches and found nothing relevant or wouldn't bother the considerable expertise and resources of an official forum, was extremely hesitant to ask (feared getting snapped at for unwittingly broaching forum etiquette) but it is truly the bane of my considerable Bridge existence, so was willing to risk the imaginary censure and opprobrium....
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That is a good question, to do this requires two functions and a restart of Bridge all done automagically
Copy and paste the script into ExtendScript Toolkit
This gets installed with Photoshop and can be found:-
PC: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Utilities
MAC: <hard drive>/Applications/Utilities/Adobe Utilities
Start Bridge
PC: Edit - Preferences - Startup Scripts
Mac: Adobe Bridge menu - Preferences - Startup Scripts
At the bottom click the "Reveal Button" this will open the folder where the script should be saved.
Close and restart Bridge.
Accept the new script.
To use:
Tools - Backup Manual Sort
This will backup the hidden manual sort file .BridgeSort to .BridgeSortSave
Tools - Restore Manual Sort
This will copy the .BridgeSortSave back to .BridgeSort and will close and restart Bridge so that the manual sort is restored.
if( BridgeTalk.appName == "bridge" ) {
var backUpManSort = new MenuElement( "command","Backup Manual Sort", "at the end of Tools" , "backupms" );
var RestoreManSort = new MenuElement( "command","Restore Manual Sort", "at the end of Tools" , "restorems" );
backUpManSort.onSelect = function () {
var fileSort = new File(app.document.presentationPath +"/.BridgeSort");
var fileSave = new File(app.document.presentationPath +"/.BridgeSortSave");
if(fileSave.exists) fileSave.remove();
fileSort.copy(fileSave);
fileSave.hidden=true;
RestoreManSort.onSelect = function () {
var fileSort = new File(app.document.presentationPath +"/.BridgeSort");
var fileSave = new File(app.document.presentationPath +"/.BridgeSortSave");
if(!fileSave.exists){
alert("No backup file exists");
return;
app.document.sorts = [{ type:"string",name:"document-kind", reverse:false }];
if(fileSort.exists) fileSort.remove();
fileSave.copy(fileSort);
fileSort.hidden=true;
app.document.chooseMenuItem("mondo/command/new");
app.documents[0].close();
app.document.sorts = [{ name:"user",type:"date", reverse:false }];
Hope this works for you.

Batch of files manually sorted in Bridge - Can I run a PS Action in that manual order?

For some jobs my workflow ideally involves manually sorting the order of a batch of RAW files in Bridge (the RAW file names are as assigned by the camera) and then using a PS Action from Bridge to convert, save, and rename the batch of files. I want to end up with my image files sequentially numbered in the manually sorted order.
However, my PS Action automatically processes the files in ascending order of their RAW file names and therefore my manually assigned file order in Bridge is lost.
Is there a script (or other method) which will allow me to run a PS action from Bridge on a batch of files while keeping the manually sorted order for the purposes of the numbering sequence of the renamed output files?
My current workaround is to Batch Rename in Bridge a copied set of RAW files as an intermediate step to running my PS Action on the renamed RAW file copies. It's not a bad workaround but if there is an easier way, I would much appreciate knowing about it!
Geoff

Geoff, here is an example that works for me. When I test ran the sample script based on some stuff that I do the files are process in the order of the manual sort and only the files in my selection are processed folders etc are ignored… I have NO idea how much people charge for this sort of thing I only do it for the learning process. If you can let me know what the Photoshop process is and your OS I 'may' be able to help but I make NO promises as Im still very much the learner with this stuff…
You can give this a test if you like…
#target bridge
with (app.document) {
     if (sorts[0].type == 'user') {
          if (selections.length == 0) {
               selectAll();
               var userSel = selections;
               deselectAll();
          } else {
               var userSel = selections;
          for (var i = 0; i < userSel.length; i++) {
               if (userSel[i].type == 'file') psProcess(userSel[i].spec);
     } else {
           alert('This window is NOT a manual sort?')
function psProcess(filePath) {
     var psScript = 'while (app.documents.length) app.activeDocument.close(SaveOptions.PROMPTTOSAVECHANGES);' + '\n';
     psScript += 'var userDialogs = app.displayDialogs; \n';
     psScript += 'var userRulerUnits = app.preferences.rulerUnits; \n';
     psScript += 'app.diaplayDialogs = DialogModes.NO; \n';
     psScript += 'app.preferences.rulerUnits = Units.PIXELS; \n';
     psScript += 'app.bringToFront(); \n';
     // Pass File Object as toSource
     psScript += 'var thisFile = ' + filePath.toSource() + '; \n';
     psScript += 'var docRef = app.open(thisFile); \n';
     psScript += 'var baseName = docRef.name.slice(0, -4); \n';
     // Edit the document
     psScript += 'if (docRef.bitsPerChannel == BitsPerChannelType.SIXTEEN) docRef.bitsPerChannel = BitsPerChannelType.EIGHT; \n';
     psScript += 'if (docRef.mode != DocumentMode.RGB) docRef.changeMode(ChangeMode.RGB); \n';
     psScript += 'if (docRef.colorProfileName != "sRGB IEC61966-2.1") docRef.convertProfile("sRGB IEC61966-2.1", Intent.RELATIVECOLORIMETRIC); \n';
     psScript += 'docRef.flatten(); \n';
     // Call some functions
     psScript += 'processChannels(docRef); \n';
     psScript += 'processPaths(docRef); \n';
     psScript += 'if (docRef.pathItems.length >= 1) processSelection(docRef, 0); \n';
     psScript += 'fitImage(docRef, 880, 72); \n';
     psScript += 'docRef.resizeCanvas(900, 900, AnchorPosition.MIDDLECENTER); \n';
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     psScript += 'var newFilePath = new File("~/Desktop/" + baseName + ".jpg"); \n';
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     psScript += 'app.activeDocument.close(SaveOptions.DONOTSAVECHANGES); \n';
     psScript += 'app.diaplayDialogs = userDialogs; \n';
     psScript += 'app.preferences.rulerUnits = userRulerUnits; \n';
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     //psScript += 'eval' + imageArea.toSource(); + '; \n';
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     var thisFolder = new Folder(folderPath);
     if (!thisFolder.exists) thisFolder.create();
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          if (docRef.channels[i].kind == ChannelType.MASKEDAREA) {
               docRef.channels[i].remove();
               continue;
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               docRef.channels[i].remove();
               continue;
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Why is manual sort order disabled in album view

I created an album and added pictures. By default, the photos are displayed in sort order by date. I'd like to manually order them. However, when I select the sort order drop down box, the option to manually order the photos is disabled. How can I enable it or why is it disabled.

It is not available because you have yet to create a manual sort for that Album, and so there is no "Manual Sort" available. Create a manual sort manually (re-arrange the photos). Then the "Manual Sort" menu choice should become available.
The menu switches between the existing sorts.
I didn't design it. This makes sense to engineers, but not so much to users. Any time you manually re-arrange your images, the sort is automatically changed to "Manual". Aperture remembers the last manual sort; it is always available via the sort selector.

How Do I "Sort" by "User Order" ?

Seems to me I knew how to do this yesterday... but today? Not so much.
I have imported a slew of photos and at the moment they are appearing in the Library in their capture order. I would like to rearrange a couple of them.
It seems to me that the last time I wanted to do that, I went to the sort order drop down menu in the tool bar and chose "User Order" and could then rearrange to my hearts content. Problem is presently "User Order" is not appearing as an option in that drop down menu.
If I go to the menus at the top of the screen, under "View...Sort..." then "User Order" is available, and I can select it... but I still don't seem to be able to rearrange the images in the strip at the bottom or in grid mode.
Seems simple enough... all I have to do is make it work...
What's the trick?
Thanks,
--PS

Trick, if you will, is to choose one folder to sort. Make sure you uncheck including subfolders.

IPhoto album slideshow will not play in the manually sorted order.

iPhoto Album slideshow will not play in the manually sorted order.

Use a regular slideshow created by "File > New Slideshow". These will play manually sorted. The instant slideshows cannot be played in a manual sort order.

Trying to make a book - iPhoto changing the order of my manually sorted album. Help?

I'm trying to make a book from an album.
I have manually sorted the photos in the album and wanted autoflow to fill the book in.
However, when I create a new book from the album, iPhoto seems to re-order the photos by one of the other options (eg: by date.) If I change that sort option under view - sort, and switch it to manual, it wants me to manually re-sort based on the previous setting. I have already done my sorting in the album. Is there a configuration I can do that will get iPhoto to recognise that manual album order?
(iphoto 11 v9.2.1)

The only solution I've seen reported is to change the dates of the photos using the batch change command with a increment so the date sort will be the same as your manual sort - you can search the forum for one of these posts - and I do not remember how they proposed to undo the date change
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User order sort changes everytime in Lightroom 3.2

I have been using Lightroom for a number of years with no troubles. It is an important part of my photography business. Lately with ver 3.2 my sort order gets all messed up every time I reopen a catalogue. The sort can take 4-6 hours, so it is a real problem for me if the user order changes each time Lightroom is relaunched.
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At this point I would download the program again and start the process over. It sounds to me like a camera profile file is corrupt.
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Bridge does not keep the manual sort order

I've tried everything I know but I cannot get Bridge to keep the manual sort order (iMac, 10.6, CS4). What is the file responsible for keeping the sort order? Perhaps removing it would help. This is really frustrating. It would be so important to keep related pictures together for estimating all the aspects.

This is action script 3.0 Flash CS3
Below is what I receive back after I test it but it is not in
order. I guess I assumed that if the tab order is correct and the
are layout in that order and the code in the form is in order it
would come back the same way. Mostly I am trying to narrow down the
problem and my guess is the cgi script or am I wrong? I have
attached the code for the form.
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Where is the DVD Studio Pro User's Manual????

I just bought Final Cut Pro 6 Upgrade and NO user's manual for anything other than Final Cut Pro. Does anyone know why they don't include anything other than a PDF of the owner's manuals for Motion, DVD Studio, etc. And where can you buy a hard copy of the DVD Studio manual? Nobody wants to read 655 pages off of a computer screen.

Sometimes they are for sale on eBay.
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Opening a bin of clips to Icon View defaults sorting to "User Order"

It seems like almost any time I open a bin of clips directly into Icon view, Premiere always defaults to sorting them in a random "User Order," instead of by clip name (which would be preferred).
Any setting I am overlooking that would cause this? Premiere 7.1 on Mountain Lion 10.8.4
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That makse sense, I suppose, but I don't think I've ever consciously imported media from the media browser NOT in sequential order (in terms of hitting CMD-A, selecting all, and Importing)

Where, on the add ons page can I sort for Manual Sort Folder thst you speak of in your answer about positioning of a new address?

I am trying to change the position of a new address on the opening screen. The suggested solution gives directions to a Manual Sort Folder that I can't find.

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*[https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-br/thunderbird/addon/manually-sort-folders/ Manually sort folders]
*[[Add-Ons and Extensions FAQ]]

Saving a Custom (Manual) Sort

I searched and searched through Bridge and found NO way to save a custom sort (manual) with a name (or a collection if you prefer). I created a manual custom sort in a folder and ran a PS action to reduce the size of each photo and put them into a new folder. When I opened the new folder the sort was alpha, not like the old folder. I now have to manually sort over 300 photos in new folder.
Is there a way to do this and if not, can a script be written for it. I create slide shows and no of hundreds of examples of how I would use this. It is really labor intensive to put the photos in a special order and then have no way to save it for future use.
Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. If I have to pay someone to do this, I will. thanks.

I am using Bridge (Version 1.0.4) and CS2 on WinXP, SP2. I am extremely disappointment in a limitation in Bridge that seems to be related to JamesAGrover's challenge to save a manual sort that he has created in a collection.
A review of topics related to manual sorting in these Adobe forums indicate that there is a general limitation to sorting a collection. This limitation seems to exist in any of the Adobe products for Mac or PC that offer the ability to view "collections" of images, for example, Lightroom and Bridge.
A "collection" seems to be a set of file names that are handled independently of the real files themselves. The magic resides in the user's experience of handling the "collection" of filenames as if they were the actual files themselves.
Of course, there is no "magic"; the collection is working with some kind of pointer to the actual files, where ever they may truly reside.
There are many powerful reasons for offering functionality of this kind. The one that primarily interests me is that by working with pointers to the same file from different collections, I can create different subsets of images and unique sort orders without copying the original files. I avoid filling my harddrive with copies, but I can burn thousands of CDs and DVDs each with different selections and sorts.
But unfortunately, inside a "collection", I am unable to execute a manual sort at all. The problem exists if my collection includes files from a single directory or from several different directories (folders). Since this seems to contradict the basic promise of a "collection" of filenames, I keep thinking that I misunderstand the user's interface.
I have set the "View - Sort" menu with every permutation of checks and unchecks for "Ascending Order" and "Manually" with no luck.
I have discovered a workaround to my problem: I have been able to manually sort, and save, a direct view of a real file system directory from the Bridge interface. But that has forced me to create copies of my images in one unique new directory for every selection and sort that I need.
To tie this back to the first post in this topic, I must observe that for me, after creating and manually sorting a collection, I will want to save the collection with its unique and idiosyncratic, manual sort. I don't want to copy the original files umpteen times! It seems that I will encounter the problem described by JamesAGrover.
I wonder if any forum member, or any one at Adobe, has a comment. Specifically I wonder about two things:
1) Am I misunderstanding the user's interface? Is there a setting that I have not discovered?
2) Is there a basic limitation with "collections" that has been removed in CS3?

Customized contact sheets from manual sorted iPhoto 7.0.2 albums.

I manually sorted photos in my iPhoto '08 album and want to print contact sheets showing the photos in this sorted order. Everything is working fine choosing the preselected contact sheet with 3 rows and 4 lines i. e. 12 pictures on each page. But when trying to customize the preselected contact sheet (for I want 4 rows and 5 lines) the manual sorting is gone and instead the pictures are sorted otherwise (by name I guess). Does anyone has any idea to solve the problem?
(I use Tiger 10.4.10, Mac Pro QuadCore, iPhoto 7.0.2)

Gunther:
Welcome to the Apple Discussions. Have you tried dragging the photos in the contact sheet customize window to arrange them as you want? It works that way for me.
Do you Twango?
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've written an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 08 libraries. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.

How do I export my "manual sorting" of files to my new Adobe Bridge CC installation?

Hi all,
I'll try to explain my situation:
I have Adobe Bridge CC installed on my computer. I use the "manual sorting" to view and manage my files (mostly .eps/.psd).
I'm moving to Win8.1 and I don't want to loose my manual sorting. How do I save/export my manual sorting in order to import it on a new Bridge installation?
Thank you all in advance,
Francesco

I'm moving to Win8.1 and I don't want to loose my manual sorting.
Manual sorting is not meant for a permanent sort order nor is it designed to do so, when switching to a new window or other sort order you will loose the previous sort order. However there is a way to retrieve the last sort order used with a script Paul Riggott once wrote. But I'm not sure you can transport this sorting to a new system version because when you install a system from scratch you also need to recache the files for the Bridge Cache library. It might be possible to also copy the hidden file with the last sort order but that would mean a trial and error procedure.
Check this post, at the bottom is also a link for the site where you can get the script and how to install and use it:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4748987#4748987
Personal I would use batch rename to keep the sort order safe. You can select all files in the content window and add a sequence number in front (with enough digits to match your number of files) of your existing filename. In this way you can easily resort your collection when your manual sorting is lost for whatever reason and also the files will have the correct sort order on your system folder also.

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