Why no 750 GB @ 7200 rpm option?

Dear Common Wisdom:
A question: Why is there no 750 GB @ 7200 rpm option for the 15-inch or 17-inch MBPs?
Thanks!
CJ

Uhh, gossip, my friend, gossip.
Maybe someone here has heard?

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Recommendations for 750 GB 7200 rpm HDD

I would like to upgrade the 500 GB 7200 rpm HDD on my 2010 MBP to something larger but with the same rpm. Is there a 750 GB drive out there?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136546
Newegg FTW!

7200 rpm vs. 5400 rpm for the new MacBook Pro?

Hi there,
I'm ready to buy one of the new MacBook Pros. I was going to go for the 15" 2.0 GH. There's one thing that's difficult to decide. Should I go for the 7200 rpm HD upgrade?
In principle it would seem that the default 5400 rpm HD would act as a bottleneck for the new and powerful CPUs. I heard some people say, though, that the 5400 rpm HDs are fast enough and that I would not notice any difference. Therefore, spending the extra money on a faster HD would be a waste.
There is also the concern about battery life. Would a 7200 rpm HD reduce the battery time considerably vs. a 5400 HD?
Since this would be my work computer, I would not want to sacrifice performance. So, if there is no significant difference in battery life and a considerable gain in performance, I would definitely go for the 7200 rpm option.
What is your experience and/or opinion? I'm anxiously waiting for your response so that I can go ahead and enjoy the new Mac Book Pro.
JM

Thanks for your prompt response japamac. Interesting results. I wonder whether the results for performance, battery usage and temperature for the 7200 rpm that comes as an option in the Apple store would be similar to the ones you got for the 7200 rpm HD you used in your test.
One question, since the difference is quite remarkable in the synthetic tests for "Media Center", I'm curious to know what real life applications would that relate to.
Thanks again for your help.
JM

7200 rpm in 13" macbook pro?

Just looking for some input if anyone has had experience with putting a 7200 rpm HDD in their 13" macbook pro? OWC offers a 750GB 7200RPM Seagate Momentus, http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ST9750420AS/
This drive comes up as a compatible upgraded for my machine.... but for some reason Apple doesn't offer a 7200 RPM option for this size, so I'm a little concerned about the potential for added noise / heat ... Anybody out there try this and notice any extra noise or heat from the faster spinning drive ?

I upgraded with a 7200 rpm drive from OWC also, in my case Hitachi 500g. The drive actually makes less noise than the Toshiba I removed. The new drive really makes the MacBookPro feel much more responsive. It runs no hotter than the original drive, nor is there any noticeable vibration. As Summer66 I bought OWC's kit enclosure deal and am using the original drive in an external case as a bootable backup with CCC, which is included in the OWC deal. OWC even has an installation video (although at this time it's for the 2010 model, the two machines seem to be identical in terms of installation.) Went so well I'm thinking of putting one in my 2009 MBP. Good luck.
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Why no BTO option for 7200 RPM Drive in 13" MBP???

There is no BTO option for a 7200 RPM drive in the 13", but there is for the 15" and 17". Does this mean they won't fit/work in the 13", or is Apple just not offering it?
Thanks..
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It means Apple is not offering it. There are 7200 rpm drives with the proper form factor (9.5 mm height). The heat difference is not significant. As I recall, when the MBP line first came out, 7200 rpm drives were available on the 17" MBPs, but not on the 15" models. You can't get a new 13" MBP with anything faster than a 2.53 GHz CPU, either - it's just a differentiation point. You can get the stock capacity drive on the 13" MBP, and put in a 500 GB 7200 rpm drive yourself.

The hard drive on my 2009 midyear 13" MBP died. I found this on Amazon and want to know if it is a good replacement choice: Western Digital WD Scorpio Black 750 GB SATA 3 GB/s 7200 RPM 16 MB Cache Internal Bulk/OEM 2.5-Inch Mobile Hard Drive

The hard drive on my 2009 midyear 13" MBP died. I found this on Amazon and want to know if it is a good replacement choice: Western Digital WD Scorpio Black 750 GB SATA 3 GB/s 7200 RPM 16 MB Cache Internal Bulk/OEM 2.5-Inch Mobile Hard Drive

If you are going to upgrade your harddisk, why not upgrade to SSD harddisk. You macbook pro supports SATA II SSD drives acccording to these Specs. SATA III is backward compatible with SATA II, so you can buy SATA III drive if you can't find SATA II drives.
Upgrading to SATA II SSD drive you give you super fast performence.
These are a few Segate SSD drives from amazon, that are not that expensive, I guess.
As for Western Digital vs Segate comparison, I second clintonfrombirmingham's suggestion. Western Digital never works for me.
*** After the harddisk upgrade
Install latest OS if possible
Update your EFI firmware
and clean NVRAM http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379

7200 RPM drive no longer an option on 15' MBP

I just noticed that you can no longer order a 15' MacBook Pro with a 7200 RPM drive. Did anyone read anything about this recently as to why Apple did this?

This has been a fact since thr release of the C2D MBP. No excuse given.
The 120GB is a lateral data drive, and the 160GB and the 200GBs are perpendicular drives. The 120 runs at 5400rpm as does the 160, but the 200 is at 4200. Some say that because of the way data is read and written to these new perpendicular drives they're actually faster, or at least equal to the faster spinning drives that use "older" technology.
Here is a blogger comment......
There has been a bit of criticism of Apple's failure to provide a 7200rpm option in the new model. But I had guessed that the 160GB option at 5400rpm would use perpendicular technology. By closer packing of the bits, this actually means the 25% slower rotation is essentially negated by the being able to read more bits. While I don't have the data to prove it, I would imagine a 5400rpm 160GB drive would perform not far off a 100GB 7200rpm drive for most situations.
Well, I'm pleased to report that the drive in this model is a Hitachi perpendicular device, and it's XBench disk scores were considerably better than my 1 year old Seagate 120GB 5400 rpm disk (which itself was well-reviewed). While some of the difference is undoubtedly down to my disk being much fuller than the MBP, I'm sure the Hitachi performs admirably indeed. Sure, if someone made a 7200rpm 160GB disk, that would be great. But right now, I don't think they do. So, with the 160GB I think most people will be happy, and it would make sense for Apple not to offer a lower capacity 7200rpm drive. (Not sure about the 200GB 4200rpm drive though.

Compatibility of Seagate 750 GB, Momentus XT 2.5", 7200 RPM

Dear Experts
I have a question. I own mid 2009 macbook pro (350 GB HDD), 2.66 GHz, core 2 duo. I wish to change HDD (its failing as per SMART status) to Seagate 750 GB, Momentus XT 2.5", 7200 RPM. Can I use this with my MBP?
Any advice/alternatives are highly appreciated.

Here a link to that thread.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3857094
You might as well replace the cable while you inside the system. Search through that thread for the updated part number to buy. It is available from aftermarket resellers. But it's not cheap.

Option to go from 5400 rpm HD to 7200 rpm? Apple waiting for my phone call.

Hi,
My new 15" Macbook Pro is being replaced with a new laptop due to problems. I am in discussion with Apple regarding confirmation of my current laptop specs. When the HD spec was discussed, 5400rpm 500g, I asked about upgrading to a 7200rpm. Apple indicated that would be possible.
So the question is; is it worth upgrading to the 7200 HD? I heard from a local Apple store that the 7200's can cause heat problems and quick draining of the battery. But they couldn't tell me why. I don't have a lot of confidence in what I was told by then, due to other experiences.
So, 7200 or 5400? Your opinion would be much appreciated. Upgrade cost btw is only $60. So it's not a money issue.
Thanks in advance.
Peter
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Unless its bearings are failing, the hard drive temperature sensor will typically show the lowest reading of all the sensors in a MBP, often by a wide margin. How a hard drive could "cause heat problems" is a complete mystery to me. As for power consumption, most users notice no perceptible difference in battery run time after switching from a 5400 to a 7200 RPM drive. Some manufacturers' specifications show nearly or exactly the same power demands for 7200 RPM drives as for 5400s.
It is likely that you will hear a 7200RPM drive more of the time than a 5400, though it may still be pretty quiet. And it's possible that you will feel more vibration through your hands on the keyboard and wrist rests.
I wouldn't have Apple upgrade the drive, though. I'd save $60 and have them install a 5400RPM unit, and then I'd spend the $60 and maybe a little more besides to get a bigger 7200RPM drive, install it myself, and use the 5400 RPM drive for backup or extra storage. Then I'd have two drives for $10-$30 more than just the 7200RPM drive would have cost me if Apple had installed it.

Firewire 800, 7200 rpm external drive options?

I have a Early 2011 Macbook Pro (8,2). I'm looking for a speedy external harddrive to do video editing with. My internal drive is a 256GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD...not a lot of space to store video. So I'd like a fast external.
Problem is, the few Firewire 800, 7200 rpm external drives I've found on Amazon all have TERRIBLE reviews when used with Macs. For some reason, none of these things from Buffalo or Western Digital seem to work with Macs, according to Amazon reviews.
Can anyone recommend a 1 TB external with Firewire 800 and 7200rpm that would be good for video editing, that also works on a Mac 8,2 Early 2011 running the latest OS X?
Thanks!

I have a 1 TB Lacie d2 Quadra but it's a desktop external disk. It's a great disk with FireWire 800, eSATA and USB 2.0 and 3.0. If you are going to use the MacBook Pro at home, I recommend this drive

7200 RPM hd on 15"

Finally Core2 Duos! ive been waiting since august to buy a new MBP. But i noticed that the 15" C2D MPBs dont have the 7200rpm HD option that the Core duos have, any reason why? is there anyway i can request one when i purchase? I would much rather have the 7200 rpm 100gb hd than the 120gb hd

I'm going to pull my 7200RPM out of my MacBook and put it in the MacBook Pro. I will use the stock 120G drive in an external enclosure as a backup drive.
Here is a video on installing a hard drive in a MacBook Pro. It's a lot more involved than installing one in a MacBook. You have to remove 20 some screws and pull the keyboard off.
http://www.macsales.com/clicks/fclick.php?id=96
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750GB harddrive @ 5400 rpm or 500GB harddrive @ 7200 rpm?

I'm about to purcahse a macbook pro and those are my options im between for which hard drive i want.
I've heard many different opinions about both but what i want to know is the following
1) is the 7200 rpm noticeably faster when it comes to doing everyday tasks plus playing games and some video editing here and there?
2) will the 7200 rpm hard drive age your laptop faster, overheat it, and drain battery significantly?
3) which one would you choose and why?
If anyone has some primary imformation on this in his/her own experiences it would be greatly appreciated

@Poikkeus: No, an SSD wouldn't be a good idea. MBPs don't support multiple HDs (so you can't put the OS/Apps on the SSD for speed and everything else on a regular SATA II/III), so getting an SSD of suitable size for the OP would be expensive (well over $500 expensive).
@OP: A 7200RPM will be noticably faster, but not 'age' or degrade faster. Back in the day, I was choosing between a 500GB 5400RPM HD and a 320GB 7200RPM HD and I made the mistake of choosing the former like Poikkeus. I've yet to graze 400GBs used, when i'd most certainly enjoy having a faster HD.
I'd go with either:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136856
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148374
As a general rule of thumb, 7200RPM is considerably faster then 5400RPM.

How much do 7200 rpm drives impact battery life?

I see that Apple offers a 7200 rpm drive on the new 15- and 17-inch PowerBooks. I assume that these fast-spinning drives perform well at the expense of higher power consumption.
Does anyone know how much, if any, I can expect a PowerBook's battery life to suffer if I go with a 7200 rpm drive compared to a slower 5400 rpm drive?

check out this web site.
http://www.barefeats.com/pb167.html
here is a portion of what he says:
"DON'T BE AFRAID. UPGRADE TO A 7200RPM DRIVE
Apple doesn't currently offer a 7200rpm internal drive option. I'm not sure why because, based on my recent findings, both the Seagate and Hitachi 7200rpm 100GB drives use less power than the Toshiba 80GB 5400rpm drive that shipped with my 15" G4/1.5 PowerBook! That means they generate less heat, too."
This was posted on Oct 7th, which was before the latest upgrades.
There is more there to read so check it out.
By the way, this is a great site for info.
I too am interested in the new PB. Nice that they finally offer a 7200 rpm HD. I've wanted that for a long time.

Stop the beeps with the 7200 rpm hard disks of the MacBook Pro

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2009/07/13/stop-the-beeps-with-the-7200-rpm-hard-dis ks-of-the-macbook-pro
Stop the beeps with the 7200 rpm hard disks of the MacBook Pro
from HardMac.com by [email protected] (Lionel)
At the beginning of week, we have spoken about the unpleasant beeps made by the 7200 rpm hard drive proposed as an option in the MacBook Pro 2009.
A solution has been found, the details are given by Rémy.
These tedious beeps occur when the disc is inactive and are caused by a system
to reposition the play-back head carried out in a repetitive way.
In addition to the beeps of the hard drive, Mac OS X displays the pretty multicoloured wheel during some seconds while waiting for hard drive to finish these loadings and unloadings of the play-back head.
The solution comes with a utility of the name hdapm (for Hard Disk Advanced Power Management) which makes it possible to change the level of energy management (APM) of the hard drive.
Hdapm can be downloaded from : http://mckinlay.net.nz/hdapm; hdapm being a command line utility, it is thus necessary to use the Terminal (which is in /Applications/Utilitaires).
After copying hdapm into your user file, the command to enter is:
sudo ~/hdapm disk0 max
disk0 corresponds to the disc to regulate knowing that hdapm should function with any ATA disk supporting APM
max is the level of APM which is a number ranging between 1 and 254 included
the word following are preset and can used in the place a number for the level of APM
max (maximum performance) is the parameter to use to eliminate the “beeps”.
min (maximum economy of energy)
default (returns to the default setting)
The level of APM is a temporary adjustment in the firmware of the hard drive, this adjustment is lost when the disk is powered down and it is thus necessary to redo this at each for each start up.
To install hdapm so it is launched at each start-up, it is necessary to copy hdapm to the hard drive (/usr/local/bin is advised) and to copy the file hdapm.plist in /Library/LaunchDaemons.
It will be can be necessary to you to edit hdapm.plist with the desired parameters; the default settings are: the repertory where hdapm is /usr/local/bin, the hard drive is regulated on the first (disk0) and the level of APM is the maximum.
You can simply copy the file hdapm into /usr/local/bin file if you want to avoid modifying Plist.
Simplest way to reach these files is to use the Go/go to the file and to copy/paste this address before validating.

Yeah, I don't buy that. I spoke with Seagate a couple of months ago when I was looking for the impossible to find 500 GB 7200 RPM HD and asked them that very thing. They told me it would work fine, but I should disable SMS. Apple told me the same thing. I ultimately waited and got a non G-Force model, but Seagate told me it would work.
I also don't believe that they'd OEM the drive to Apple knowing it wouldn't work. That makes absolutely no sense. If Seagate knew the G-Force drive would not function properly in an Apple MacBook/MacBook Pro, and they OEM'd it to Apple for that purpose anyway, what does that say about Seagate?
I admit it's odd that the used the G-Force model given the presence of SMS, but apparently Seagate has prioritized the manufacturing of the G-Force drives and probably offered it to Apple.

How can I tell if my HD is a 7200 RPM One?

I bought a MBP 17" High Res, from an apple store. With a 160 GB HD. On the outside of the box it said that the HD was 7200 RPM, which came as a nice surprise, because online they list the 160 HD as 5200 RPM. I was going to order the 200 GB HD 7200 RPM, but that was only available online and to order. As I could not wait, I decided to go for the 160. Except I would like to know where I can find that it's a 7200 RPM Drive, as my friend tells me its a mistake, they don't make 160 HD at 7200 RPM!!!! How can they say it on the box? Can someone tell me where I will find this information. I have looked under
about this mac.... but dont see the rpm anywhere.... Thanks

seabreeze1982 wrote:
I read that there were a lot of problems with seagate drives. do you know if that was just a batch of them?
Supposedly, it's just 60 and 80 GB, 5400 RPM, drives with firmware version 7.01 that are affected. The firmware version is the "Revision" in the System Profiler listing. Mine's "3.DAE".
Mine seems to be okay so far. I just got it by luck wasn't expecting it when I bought it at the apple store, thought they were all the 5400 ones.....
Who knows? Maybe it was a build to order that someone didn't claim. Or maybe the had a few extra 7200 RPM 160s left when they quit offering them as an option online, but not enough to keep advertising them. So they just stuck them in.
charlie

Why no 750 GB @ 7200 rpm option?

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