Widescreen output choices for dvd????

Ok...my film looks great...I'm close to output. I lucked out with an iohd so I can actually see what my 4:3 letterboxed 24p progressive footage looks like brought up to 720 and 1080psf or interlaced....
But first I'm going to output a couple of quicktime files .
Questions:
1. I've been outputting my sequence to non self contained quicktime files with current settings. This file I then have sent to compressor to create my mpeg2 and sound file...looks fine. WHY DO SOME PEOPLE SUGGEST CHECKING THE "MAKE MOVIE SELF CONTAINED" BOX AT THIS FIRST STEP.
2. I am considering first doing a widescreen version and am not worrying about the hdcam up-res hd files yet in the meantime to create an SD WIDESCREEN that would fill up a widescreen tv do you suggest:
a. dropping my 4:3 letterbox into a 16:9 sequence, and when I get to compressor where I'd crop it so it opens wide? I know to crop top and bottom by entering "30" in those boxes, do I also crop the sides as my 4:3 letterbox is actually a windowbox?
or
b. they say DON'T DO THIS but I found if I just scaled up to 135 with the quicktime NON CONTAINED movie I create with my current settings of my 4:3 letterbox sequence, when I look at it on a widescreen I'm not seeing much distortion at all compared to just upscaling BEFORE I send it to be made into a quicktime where of course I see the stepladers, etc...even the letters look good...they say it can't be done but WHY am I seeing it looking as good as this?

Nick, I apologize for typing in such a way you hear shouting. My experience is capital letters in the real world as used in this context are to draw attention to the emphasis in this case the question within a question...I could have used italics, I could have used a special color, it was easiest to capitalize...they've been used this way in business correspondence for decades where in fact I can attest to this fact from my years as a typist/temp secretary in huge corporations. The only way you wouldn't know this is if you've never had an office job. I think the world has enough aggression in the world without signing into apple posts and being accused and commanded to correct perceived affronts in regard to the use of my fonts which in this case were industry standard. The only impropriety I'm aware of online for use of capitalizing is when an entire post is done this way and usually including aggressive language. I would appreciate respectful communication on here. If you don't want to respond to my post because of how you think my behavior is I'll wait for remedies elsewhere I am under the wire with my work right now and don't feel like signing on here and being under attack or intimidated.
1. I'm concerned about quality...when I do a non self contained quicktime before sending it to compressor where my permanent mpeg2 is made, is there no difference in quality loss or additional compression with a self contained quicktime compared to the non-self contained? I do understand the self contained concept say if I wanted to take the file without my original files elsewhere but for what I'm doing now to create the mpeg2 it would be good to know if there's a difference.
2. I am not a professional I never saw the "center cut" language before but I think this is the same as "windowbox" which mattes off as opposed to "letterbox". I have 4:3 footage ntsc from the dvx100. I then put bars across the top and bottom as a matte...when I drop this into a 16:9 sequence I then have space on the sides and the top and bottom. If I blow this up for a widescreen sd output, it was as I asked above...can I create an anamorphic widescreen version by dropping in this footage into a 16:9 timeline and then cropping it in compressor that will look better blown up this way then blowing up the quicktime file I create to 135 percent which will fill a 16:9 widescreen tv? And do I crop the sides as well as the top and bottom if I do this and how much do I crop off the sides as I'm already aware you do a crop of 30 on the top and bottom?
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