10 Bit Color From Displayport in 5.02
I noticed this was either fixed or added in the latest release. I have a Quadro 5000 with DisplayPort and HP ZR30w 10 Bit Color monitors with DisplayPort.
Is there anything I need to configure in Winodws 7 or Premiere Pro to make sure I am seeing 10 Bit Color. 10 Bit files look amazing and I see
no banding but I want to make sure I have it set up right.
Thanks,
Carlos Morillo
I have ran several searches for DisplayPort, Display Port, Display-Port and have found nothing. The searches I ran for 10 Bit Color, 10-Bit Color, High Depth Color, all returned results that seem to be specific to the AVI v210 Codec in Desktop Mode and/or SDI. There are many other file formats that
handle greater than 8 Bit Color and would like to make sure I am actually seeing that through my monitor. Just switched to the quadro and the HP 10 Bit display and I want to know that it's set up right. If I am missing something from the Premiere Pro CS5 PDF file could some one please point me to the right page? I ran I a search for just the word "color" and still found no answer. According to the notes on 5.02, 10 Bit Color through DisplayPort works.
Is it just automatic when you have a 10 Bit Sequence and 10 Bit or greater files? I Know you can render using High Depth Color and Maximum quality but I don't think that's the same as actually seeing 10 Bit color on screen since those options are availbale to you even when you are on an 8 Bit Sequence with 8 Bit Files.
Thanks,
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Hi,
Is it possible to work with 16 bit colors in Photoshop ?
I have some bitmaps, where I would like to change the colortable from 24 bit colors to 16 bit colors.
Thanks,
best regards,
PoulLet us consider the possibilities of the file format Windows Bitmap BMP. Photoshop can save
as BMP with different color depths, but this has nothing to do with "Photoshop Bitmap".
Mode Indexed color (BMP, 8 bit per pixel) uses a color look-up table, a CLUT:
256 rows with 3 bytes for R, G and B (one byte each).
The image contains for each pixel one byte, which is a pointer to the CLUT, from where the
color bytes are taken. Finally we have a 24 bit per pixel color representation (True color).
For GIF it's almost the same, but one row in the CLUT means transparency.
Building the CLUT for an image which may contain originally 256^3 diffent colors is called
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R: Shift right 3 bits and round
G: Shift right 2 bits and round
B: Shift right 3 bits and round
Assemble R,G,B in one word with 16 bit.
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Such a table cannot be generated directly by Photoshop.
Mode High color (BMP, 16 bit per pixel) does not use a CLUT. Perhaps, at the time when these
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Photoshop can generate a BMP image with 16 bit per pixel by one of three modes, as explained
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True Color – High Color with Dithering.
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Dear all,
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1,280 x 1,024 32-bit color video display adapter (true color) 128 MB or greater, Direct3D capable
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Clarification: I want to run AutoCad 2009 in 3d. Re: 1,280 x 1,024 32-bit color . . .
Note from Moderator: Please don't post the same message in multiple boards/threads as it splinters the discussion. Duplicate(s) removed.
Message Edited by JaneL on 02-08-2009 10:01 PM
Solved!
Go to Solution.Any ThinkPad with discrete or switchable graphics will work...T400/500, R400/500, W500/700...make sure that you're not getting the one with Intel integrated GPU and you'll be all set...
FWIW, even T61/p with discrete GPU will run this with no sweat...
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+32-bit color+
+"32-bit color" is generally a misnomer in regard to display color depth. While actual 32-bit color at ten to eleven bits per channel produces over 4.2 billion distinct colors, the term “32-bit color” is most often a misuse referring to 24-bit color images with an additional eight bits of non-color data (I.E.: alpha, Z or bump data), or sometimes even to plain 24-bit data.+
+Systems using more than 24 bits in a 32-bit pixel for actual color data exist, but most of them opt for a 30-bit implementation with two bits of padding so that they can have an even 10 bits of color for each channel, similar to many HiColor systems.+
(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth)
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How 'common' is 16 bits color? Isn't this something from the
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really won't
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is not the
issues here)
Just have a think on this for a moment .... No matter WHAT
color system you
use on a screen (8-bit, 16-bit, 24-bit, 32-bit), if the PC is
trying to
output a given RGB color, it will display the same everywhere
on that screen
.. it may be different to what some other computer would
show, but it would
be consistent across the screen. So the problem is that Flash
really is
trying to display different colors on different pixels where
it should be
trying to display the same color (if it wasn't for the bugs
in how it
renders). Now, changing what color is there may increase or
lessen the
visible difference, but it is unlike to help (unless you do
something like
use pure black or pure white etc, which I think Flash manages
to get right)
NOTE: There is a technote that tries to explain away why this
happen so it
doesn't look like it's a bug (technotes are good at that).
But it really is
a bug.
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