EXS 24 questions

Hello
1) I'm trying to use EXS 24, and i've found the samples are to be located on library/application support/logic/sampler instrument .
the problem is this folder is on the same hard disk as where Tiger and Logic are installed. I have a second hard disk which is dedicated for samples and logic sessions, but i can't find the option to tell Logic to place the samples on this disk. it seems you can save the samples in your session folder, but i don't want that i just want them to be in a folder in that second disk and not move.
is it possible ?
2) when using automation (wether it is from host or an external midi controller) on any parameter, pitch, cutoff, i get a very non-linear, stair-ish, quantized sound. how can i smooth it ?
i'm using logic 7.1 with tiger on a G5 2X2 ghz 2.5gb ram
thanks
chak

I am not at my computer with logic in front of me but i think i can poin t you in the right direction.
1) in project manager goto esx instruments, select the exs instruments in the folder whose samples you want to move, then go to functions move samples of currently selected esx instruments.
2) make sure volume smoothing is on, which it should be anyway. if it is, then i am not sure why you would be having this problem.
3) it used to be that you could open automation arrange, which looked exactly like an arrange page except that the objects contained automation data. i can't seem to find that in lp7 (maybe someone out theere knows), but there is another way;
select the track with the automation settings that you want to copy. create an empty object on that track. in options, goto "move track automation to object". copy the object onto all the tracks you want (option drag is perhaps the one to use). then goto options again and select move all object data to automation of all tracks.

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I mean I could transfer them all manually, but it's a bit long winded. Therefore has anybody found a way of shifting these temporary EXS files to their main library permanently within logic itself?

Bill,
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Where have I got to copy my Exs instruments and ssamples to make them work in logic8?
Thank you!

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Hi,
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Message was edited by: Matthew Usnick

Ok, I've done some experimenting, and here are my results.
I believe those numbers ARE samples. I came to this conclusion by counting (for some reason it starts on 11) and cutting a region to be 33 samples long (so, minus 11, is 22 actual samples). I then went to the Audio Bin window, and chose to view region length as samples. And there it said it: 22 samples. So, you can in fact move MIDI regions by samples!
Second, I wanted to see if the MIDI notes in the region itself would be quantized to the nearest tick. I cut a piece of audio, so it had a 1 sample attack (zoomed in asa far as I could in the sample editor, selected the smallest portion, and faded in, and made the start point, the region start position). I saved the region as a new audio file, and loaded it up in the exs sampler.
I then made a MIDI region, with and triggered the sample on beat 1 (quantized, on the money). I then went into the arrange window, made a fixed cycle length, and bounced the audio. I then moved the MIDI region by one sample to the right. I did this 22 times (which is the number of samples in a tick, at 120, apparently). After bouncing all of these (cycle position remained fixed, only the MIDI region was moving) I imported all the audio into the arrange on new tracks, and YES!!! The sample start was cascaded by a sample each time!
SO.
Not only can you move MIDI regions by sample, but the positions are NOT quantized to Logics ticks!
This is very good news, and glad I worked this out!
(if anyone thinks this sounds wrong, please correct me, but I'm pretty sure I proved it, in my test)
Message was edited by: Matthew Usnick

Oracle 11g RAC on Windows 2008 R2 VMware EXS 3.5 virtual machines

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Mac pro video questions

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Hypothetically, if I were to choose 1 or 2 tutorials (in addition to 101) to buy, and given the general overview of how I've been using Logic, which ones should they be?

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Good morning !
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You are right about the Vintage Instruments, they're Studio-only. Main Stage is Studio-only as well. I don't think Express comes with the whole EXS Library but I'm not sure. As far as the JamPacks, remember those include not only loops but new presets and EXS instruments as well. And talking about sounds, Express won't give you Sculpture which is a **** of a synth.

A different ESX and REX2 question ;)

Hi all,
So I have read all the bits about the EXS and REX files, found out why I couldnt import and installed the shared library but I have a bit of a file question if any one wants to take a shot at this.
I am a bit confused at the various import methods for REX files and the associated files that are created so let me try and explain a bit further in a numerical order.
1. if I just place the REX files I wish to use in a sub directory of the Sampler Instruments folder each loaded REX now created a .EXS version of this but when I look at the EXS instrument list I see both the REX and a copy titled .EXS, is this normal?
2. If I try and import via edit and REX covert it seems I have no control over where the file will reside and it places the file in the Sapler Instruments root, is this normal and will I need to then go back and place the files where I want then EG: in a sub folder?
and lastly...
3. Will only the 1st opening of a REX file place a midi file? if I delete the midi file from the arrange window is their a simple method to get the midi file to produce again?
I hate to ask all these simple questions, but I promise I havce spent time in the reference manual, for some reason anything I need to learn in logic is never explained how to accomplish in the manual, they only discuss what the function does.
Maybe I am not reading the right manual all this time lol?
Thanks in advance!

1) Yes it is normal. The EXS opens the Rex file and saves it as an EXS+samples file. As it hasn't touched the original REX file, it's still there in the sample instruments directory. If you don't need it anymore, delete it.
2) Yep.
3) The EXS stores the midi data from a rex file. There's an EXS menu command you can use at any time to place the midi data on the current track: Options -> Extract MIDI Regions from Recycle instrument

EXS Sampler

Hey there, just a quick question regarding this and Recycle.. someone had said they do the same thing and I wasn't sure.. is Recycle worth buying as well as Studio and do they work together well? Or should I just be using the EXS instead of spending the cash..
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The EXS24 and Recycle are completely different applications.
The EXS24 is a sampler virtual instrument, which can play back multisamples. A sample player in plugin form.
Recycle is a utility application for slicing audio files, and creating Rex files out of them.

How do you load exs. format files into EXS 24 sampler?

How do you load EXS24 format files into the EXS24 sampler? the only format I can load directly is aiff and wav. can't find any posts addressing this question? please help

You don't load them in, you need to put them in:
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Restart Logic if it's running, they will then appear in the EXS library.

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Hey I have Logic 9.1.7 and it seems some exs inst. do not load because they are missing some files. The question is how do I find which instruments are affected, plus how do I fix this? Do I have to re-install?
It seems to only be the issue with the EXS.
Here's a screen shot.
Thanx.
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Hi again,
I thought it may be of some intrest to also mention that I tried to open my EXS sample straight from Finder. The sample is 'checked' to open in Mainstage and this is what popped up:
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Hello,
I'm a long time SampleCell/eMagic's Logic Audio user and a novice to Logic Pro 7.1.1.
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a) Some of the the banks and instruments - especially the ones that use extensive multi-layering and matrix routing - doesn't open in the same manner. The samples come in random order - sometimes the same samples repeated in different zones;
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Is there any "secret" about importing (or opening) SCII banks and instruments in EXS24? Shouldn't it recognize these banks and instruments right way?
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Hi,
I've imported (years ago) all the SCII discs I had into EXS 24 without any problems. As far as looking stuff up in the manual, you MAY have to have both the Plug-in Reference book plus the EXS24 manual . . . I'm not sure. EXS24 certainly does respond to velocity assignment via group assignment (assigning a "zone" to a group that only responds to certain velocities for example). As to whether a single instance of EXS24 can respond to more than one midi channel, well I've never used it that way and doubt it can be done. Sorry if I've mixed up any of the terms . . . it's been a while since I did this stuff. I do remember that it was a routine procedure and no more difficult or time-consuming than any other conversion process. BTW EXS 24 did recognise all the splits and layers from my original SCII instruments.
RW

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EXS 24 crashes when I load any sample. Is there a fix for this, perhaps an install / reinstall option as such? Any help would be very grateful.
I purchased the iMac second hand and is in very tidy condition only used for production. I'm not totally clued up on the Mac side if things as I was a windows user for years. Please be gentle ! :)

Thank you. I figured it out right before I heard from you. Running the OCR before the redaction made it work correctly.
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question.
Make it a great day.
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You should first build your Database in Kontakt's standalone mode
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