Should web start uninstall the cache?

Recently I've sent to Sun the following RFE:
under windows 2000, when I uninstall Java Web Start, the cache of installed apps is deleted. I think that the uninstaller shouldn't do this, so in case I install Web Start again, I don't have to download again all the apps. In alternative the uninstaller should ask the user if he wants to delete the cache or not.
This is the response I've got from Nathanael Thompson:
Thank you for using our bug submit page. I think there is merit to the change suggestion you are proposing. I would suggest that you first post this to a newsgroup and request comment from other developers. Based on the responses, you can consider pursuing this in a subsequent Request For Enhancement perhaps with further elaboration.
So I'm doing what Sun asked me to do, I post here to get some comments from other developers. Do you think it's a good idea ?

In general I think the cache is something valuable, because it took user time and network resource to build.
Migration
If the cache is kept between installs, then the installation might get more complicated in case the cache algorithms and data formats change betweens web start versions.
Thus some kind of migration would be needed then for the cache contents.
A general integrity check would be nice too.
Security
I don't know if the security checkings are done during initial download, or at every cache access?
Would it be possible to circumvent security, by
putting something in the cache area?
Right now some stuff is unpacked, like native libs.
Regards,
Marc

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The 'splash' screen might be of interest to you.
Here is the quick description from the FAQ.
<http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/javaws/developersguide/faq.html#206>
Section 3.5 of the JNLP Spec. has more details on using a splash screen for an application.
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By the way - now I review your question, I note you stress 'while jars are downloading'.
There is another strategy you might take. Mark most of the application jar's as 'lazy' download, get the main GUI on-screen quickly, then use the JNLP API's DownloadService to fetch the rest of the jars, after the application is running.
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I don't want application show message "Java web start in the bottom of app"

Dear
please help me.
I am using jdk 1.4.1_01 and JWS 1.2. when I launch application through web stat. In bottom of application , the title "Java web start" appears, it also appear in the bottom of popup menu, menu item bar, dialog,...
Can I disappear it.
Please help me.
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>
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the follwing method i have used to open html file ...
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Hi.
I got a different problem. My Corba application works in JRE 1.6, but doesn't works in JRE 1.5.X. I got an unexpected error and my console shows:
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