10.4 Install on Quicksilver

I have a Quicksilver (I believe it is the 2002). I have the stack of install CD's b/c I do not have a DVD drive. When I start the install process the computer fails the installation check. I get an error that states that OSX can't be installed on this machine. My computer meets all of the requirements and doesn't need a firmware update. any suggestions?

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Have you backed up your data? The procedure to check why the errors are happening could in effect cause damage to the data, so I want to make sure your data is backed up first.

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How many hdd's can I install in Quicksilver

Have the SIIG Serial ATA 4 Channel PCI-M card running one 250GB HDD at the present with 1 running off the original system bus. How many can I add total to this system? Owners manual states I can run only 2 total in this machine. Is it true that now I can add a large HDD to the original bay without using the SIIG card and whole capacity will be recognized?
G4 Quicksilver 733 896mb ram Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Hi
You should be able to install four hard drives fairly easily.
You can physically fit four into the case, one in the front bay, one in the middle bay and two in the rear bay (one on top of the other in the U shaped bracket).
Assuming you don't have a Zip drive installed, you have the Molex power connectors for four drives, although you may need an extension cable so the power connector that's intended for the Zip drive will reach one of the hard drives. If you do have a Zip drive installed, you'd need a splitter cable to power two drives off one cable.
You have the data connectors for at least four drives. Two ATA drives can be connected to the onboard ATA controller and four SATA drives can be connected to the SATA PCI card (assuming it's a four port version).
The capacity limitation still applies to drives connected to the onboard ATA controller via the ribbon cable. Large drives can be added to any bays, but they must be connected to the PCI card for the full capacity to be recognised.
The manual probably says two ATA drives can be installed (using the onboard ATA controller) or three SCSI drives can be installed (using the supplied SCSI PCI card if relevant). There's no reason why you can't add additional drives using a SATA PCI card.

Leopard Install on Quicksilver Dual 867 G4

I have just completed installing Leopard on my Quicksilver Dual 867 G4 and if an one else wants to try look out for the following:
[1] If you have a isub this causes chaos and needs to be
unplugged unfortunately (Check other posts for details)
Hopefully this may be cured in an update as even though the
the apple pro speakers are good I miss the isub
[2] Spotlight takes ages to index the drive and you are better off leaving the
machine alone while it indexes the drive due to the high CPU useage
(I had the activity monitor running to keep an eye on things during the
indexing)
[3] Time Machine worked fine on an internal 200Gb drive although again its best
to leave it over night
[4] My Iomega Rev 35 usb drive is read only. Hopefully Iomega will release an
updated driver at some point.
Apart from the above everything is running fine and works very well even though
the Dual 867 is 5 years old. No speed issues which is not bad for a machine which meets the minimum spec!

I can't say for certain, but I've lurked around these forums for awhile, and I can say it seems you will be very unhappy with Logic 8. Why chance it? If 7 is working for you, stick with it, and use the $500 you would have spent on Logic Studio towards a newer computer that will let Logic be happy on it.
Merry Christmas!

Quicksilver Logic Board in MDD?

Could you install a Quicksilver logic board in a Mirrored Drive Doors G4?
I recently bought a replacement logic board fopr a Power Mac G4 MDD DP1.0GHz. The board looked was advertized as taken from an MDD and when arrived, looked like the right thing. When put in the computer it started right up and everything seemed fine--except the System Profiler reported DP800MHz, not DP1.0GHz. As far as I know there is no DP800MHz MDD nor are there blue Quicksilver logic boards shaped like this--or are there? Have I been ripped off. Luckily it only cost $50 and I have a Quicksilver with a dead logic board if this turns out to be the wrong part for this machine.

Hi
The frequency the CPUs actually run at is determined by the frequency of the system bus and the bus multiplier. The system bus is running at 133MHz, which is set on the logic board. The bus multiplier will be set to 6, which is set on the CPU daughter card. Consequently the processors will run at 133.33MHz x 6 or 800MHz.
The processors are capable of running at 1GHz, but to achieve this you'd have to increase the system bus speed to 167MHz, or increase the bus multipler to 7.5 to compensate for the slower bus speed. I believe both are possible but involve adding and/or removing tiny resistors on the logic board and/or the CPU daughter card.
The labels are just labels and simply refer to the CPU speed with the original CPU card in the original logic board.
The following link may help, although in your case you wouldn't be overlocking the processors. They're currently underclocked and you'd simply be bringing them back up to the freqency they've been tested and guaranteed for.
http://bitsandpieces.info/Multipliers.htm
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Running dual processor on early Quicksilver board

I'm back to a Sawtooth because my 1ghz dual processor is panicking. Diagnostic in Tiger says the external cache is bad and I understand that I have to shut the cache off every time I boot by if I use CHUD to disable the L3 cache ( which I am very scared to do).
Because I'm more a MacButcher, I figure that running the dual processor on an earlier (733mhz) board which doesn't have the rom to enable the L3 cache might be a possible workaround. I'd then swap motherboards and run the dual limping a little on the earlier motherboard and slip the 733mhz processor in the later board and resell.
Does this all sound possible? What should I watch for? I realize the dual processor would run slower than intended, but it would be better than using the 500mhz Sawtooth and cheaper than buying a new processor.

Hi
I could be wrong, but I thought the level 3 cache was only not recognised if you installed a Quicksilver processor card in a Sawtooth or Gigabit Ethernet logic board, as these originally came with G4 variants that didn't have any level 3 (just level 1 on the processor die and level 2 on the processor card). If the 733MHz logic board is from a Digital Audio or Quicksilver, I wouldn't be surprised if the level 3 cache was recognised, as these shipped with G4 variants that could support level 3 (regardless of whether Apple actually chose to provide the extra cache on some of the models). I'd be surprised if there were any boot ROM differences - I'd imagine it just says if there's level 3 cache available then use it. That way Apple could have one unified logic board/boot ROM and just drop in different processor cards with or without level 3 cache. There are some reports in the CPU Upgrades database at xlr8yourmac.com which seem to suggest a 733MHz Quicksilver can be upgraded with a card pulled from another QS and the level 3 will be recognised.

Swap Processor from G4 Quicksilver 80Mhz to G4 Digital Audio 466Mhz

If I swap the processor from quicksilver 800mhz and put it in my digital audio 466 mhz G4 will it work?
g4 Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Hi
it is actually possible, although whether it's worth the effort I'm not sure.
The CPU upgrades database at www.xlr8yourmac.com contains a number of reports from people who have installed a Quicksilver processor in a Digital Audio (select Apple AGP Slot for the Mac Model and Apple for the card manufacturer).
Both have a 133MHz system bus so the processor will run at the same speed (800MHz) without having to fiddle with the resistors that control the bus multiplier ratio.
The main issue though is the Quicksilver processor card requires a 12 volt feed to one of the screws that secure it to the logic board, although this can be taken from a spare hard drive molex power connector.
There are also possible heat issues, as the Quicksilver has a small fan between the processor heat sink and back of the case, where as I don't think the 466MHz Digital Audio has a processor fan at all.
I hope this helps.

Kernel Panic / Blue screen of death on brand new MacBookPro 2.6 GHZ

I thought it was quite normal to get one system crash with a brand new computer (MacBook Pro 2.6GHZ, OS 10.5.1 pre-installed, everything updated) , so I wasn't too worried when it occured yesterday. But now it happened again...
1. I use Mail and Web browser.
2. The wireless internet connection goes down. (The connection icon indicates that everything works, but no application can reach out).
3. The system crashes, after a short while.
The computer is brand new. No Haxies installed. (Quicksilver, is an application, not a haxie, right?)
What is installed: iWork, iLife, DevonThink, MSoffice, Quicksilver, Adium, Adobe CS3, EndNote X1.
Does your new MacBook Pro crash as well?

The system crashed again. Does this look familiar to anyone? Does this look like a hardware or a software problem?
Mon Dec 3 09:11:38 2007
panic(cpu 1 caller 0x0039CD77): "m_free: freeing an already freed mbuf"@/SourceCache/xnu/xnu-1228.0.2/bsd/kern/uipc_mbuf.c:2742
Backtrace, Format - Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
0x348a7978 : 0x12b0e1 (0x455670 0x348a79ac 0x133238 0x0)
0x348a79c8 : 0x39cd77 (0x48e03c 0x3055c500 0x417f901c 0x417efd88)
0x348a7a08 : 0x39d073 (0x30546100 0x8 0x348a7a58 0x1)
0x348a7a28 : 0x8fbb87 (0x3053f500 0x0 0x20 0x0)
0x348a7b98 : 0x8fbec5 (0x240982c8 0x2409a150 0x348a7be8 0x174bc2)
0x348a7ce8 : 0x90720b (0x240aa004 0x0 0x46 0xab3b40)
0x348a7e68 : 0x8d784a (0x240984c0 0x240984c0 0xce8a133a 0x60c)
0x348a7eb8 : 0x8d8f3f (0x95fc80 0x95fc84 0x0 0x135e09)
0x348a7f48 : 0x8d74b7 (0x47bb804 0x0 0x348a7f78 0x19ccc1)
0x348a7f78 : 0x13e987 (0x47bbc94 0x47bb804 0x0 0x0)
0x348a7fc8 : 0x19e2ec (0x0 0x0 0x1a10b5 0xb551ea0)
Backtrace terminated-invalid frame pointer 0
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.driver.AirPort.Atheros(300.22)@0x8d6000->0x960fff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IO80211Family(200.7)@0x8b8000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.4)@0x63c000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONetworkingFamily(1.6.0)@0x64c000
BSD process name corresponding to current thread: kernel_task

Startup slower that it used to be...Jargon translator needed

can anyone decipher this console jargon and tell me if there are any issues during startup.
My mbp seems to be starting up a lot slower that it used to be.
and any suggestions of how to freshen up my speedy startup would be great.
---start of jargon---
29/04/2010 15:53:00 com.apple.launchd[1] * launchd[1] has started up. *
29/04/2010 15:53:25 com.apple.WindowServer[57] Thu Apr 29 15:53:25 tom-cooks-macbook-pro.local WindowServer[57] <Error>: kCGErrorFailure: Set a breakpoint @ CGErrorBreakpoint() to catch errors as they are logged.
29/04/2010 15:53:32 com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[83] (com.apple.ReportCrash) Falling back to default Mach exception handler. Could not find: com.apple.ReportCrash.Self
29/04/2010 15:53:40 com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[83] (com.apple.Kerberos.renew.plist[103]) Exited with exit code: 1
29/04/2010 15:53:44 com.apple.launchd.peruser.501[83] ([email protected][107]) Exited with exit code: 1
29/04/2010 15:53:50 Quicksilver[115] [Quicksilver -[NSApplication(Info) wasLaunchedAtLogin]]: parentProcessInfoDict = '"LSCheckInTime*" = 2010-04-29 15:53:25 +0100;
"LSBackgroundOnly" = 0;
"FileCreator" = "lgnw";
"CFBundleIdentifier" = "com.apple.loginwindow";
"LSSystemWillDisplayDeathNotification" = 0;
"Attributes" = 69632;
"CFBundleExecutable" = "/System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow";
"LSUIPresentationMode" = 0;
"IsCheckedInAttr" = 1;
"PSN" = 4097;
"LSUIElement" = 1;
"CFBundleName" = "loginwindow";
"CFBundleVersion" = 101744640;
"BundlePath" = "/System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app";
"pid" = 35;
"FileType" = "APPL";
"Flavor" = 3;
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:05 Quicksilver[115] Prevented load of unidentified action from bundle Core Support.qsplugin because the action's featureLevel (set from its Info.plist) is higher than NSApp's current featureLevel. This is not neccessarily an error. Sometimes this mechanism is used to prevent unstable actions from loading.
29/04/2010 15:54:09 Quicksilver[115] [Quicksilver -[NSApplication(Info) wasLaunchedAtLogin]]: parentProcessInfoDict = '"LSCheckInTime*" = 2010-04-29 15:53:25 +0100;
"LSBackgroundOnly" = 0;
"FileCreator" = "lgnw";
"CFBundleIdentifier" = "com.apple.loginwindow";
"LSSystemWillDisplayDeathNotification" = 0;
"Attributes" = 69632;
"CFBundleExecutable" = "/System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow";
"LSUIPresentationMode" = 0;
"IsCheckedInAttr" = 1;
"PSN" = 4097;
"LSUIElement" = 1;
"CFBundleName" = "loginwindow";
"CFBundleVersion" = 101744640;
"BundlePath" = "/System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app";
"pid" = 35;
"FileType" = "APPL";
"Flavor" = 3;
29/04/2010 15:54:23 osascript[134] Error loading /Library/ScriptingAdditions/Adobe Unit Types.osax/Contents/MacOS/Adobe Unit Types: dlopen(/Library/ScriptingAdditions/Adobe Unit Types.osax/Contents/MacOS/Adobe Unit Types, 262): no suitable image found. Did find:
/Library/ScriptingAdditions/Adobe Unit Types.osax/Contents/MacOS/Adobe Unit Types: no matching architecture in universal wrapper
29/04/2010 15:54:37 [0x0-0x10010].com.apple.Safari[122] Thu Apr 29 15:54:37 tom-cooks-macbook-pro.local Safari[122] <Error>: kCGErrorIllegalArgument: CGSFlushSurfaceWithOptions
29/04/2010 15:54:37 [0x0-0x10010].com.apple.Safari[122] Thu Apr 29 15:54:37 tom-cooks-macbook-pro.local Safari[122] <Error>: kCGErrorFailure: Set a breakpoint @ CGErrorBreakpoint() to catch errors as they are logged.
---end of jargon---

Maybe because you've installed Quicksilver, which is responsible for all that stuff you posted. The computer will start slower with each bit of software you install and launch at startup. If you want quick startups remove all the third-party startup items you have installed - like Quicksilver - or accept the slower startup for the features you desire.
In addition to the above and any other third-party software that launches during startup you can try cleaning caches and repairing the drive and permissions:
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger and Leopard.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior and/or Tech Tool Pro to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
To clean caches download a utility such as Tinkertool System or Snow Leopard Cache Cleaner to remove all system, user, and font caches (a restart is required immediately afterwards.)

Can I install a 100mb Zip drive in PowerPc G4 Quicksilver?

I am using a PPC G4 Quicksilver to replace a PPC G3 desktoop. I have a collection of 100MB zips I would like to access. Can I install an internal Zip 100MB drive in the second drive draw in the tower? If yes, ATA or SCSI.
Thank you,
Ed Gaiano

Even if you don't get a bezel it might be a good idea to close the opening. I don't know how closely engineered those computers are to air flow and cooling and leaving off a bezel might change those characteristics. I did something similar on a different model computer once and used foam rubber to pack around the edge. Not pretty I'll admit.

How many screws are supposed to be install in a G4 Quicksilver 1GHz DP CPU?

Hi.
I got a new (used, lol) Quicksilver 1GHz DP which is having problems "using" the first RAM bank (DIMM 0/J21 - closest to the processor). When I first got the machine (in the mail, well protected), I did a quick internal inspection, making sure that everything was properly seated - it had two pieces of RAM (512MB each) installed in slots DIMM 1/J22 & DIMM 1/J23. I closed it and started up from the Apple Hardware Test CD for the QS 2002 and everything tested fine. It had no OS, so I booted it up, installed Tiger and then used it for a couple of hours making sure everything was okay. Now, I thought when I'd first opened it, that I'd added a third piece of 512MB into the empty first slot before doing the installation and such, but now I can't remember for sure. The piece I would have added would have been tested and true from my other Quicksilver 867MHz (but on a QS 2002 motherboard).
My plan was to clean the QS 1GHz DP machine out, re-seating the dual processor cpu with fresh thermal paste, replace the fans in it, then move everything (ie drives, video card, pci cards, etc) from my older QS into the new machine, after I'd made sure everything mechanically was running okay. So I basically completely took the "new" QS apart, cleaning out dust, etc including the Motherboard - took out the power supply and case fan cage, replacing the fans there, cleaned and re-seated the cpu using Diamond thermal paste - then put everything back together. I put back in the original drive I'd just installed Tiger onto and original video card, but with two pieces of the RAM (Hynix 512mb) that I'd been using in my other QS, and one of the pieces that was already in the machine (Micron 513mb). I reset the CUDA button, then booted it up and it started up fine, I fiddled around for a bit, opening things, then put it sleep for about twenty minutes (to test that also). When I came back and tried to wake it up, the monitor woke up as in, the power light on it turned green for a moment, then it went back to amber, with nothing on the screen. The power light on the QS was green and the fans were running - so after a bit I held down the power light to shut it down, opened it and rechecked the video card, etc to make sure everything was plugged in okay - then tried to power it up, zapping the PRAM - the start-up sound bonged four times, then when I released the keys, the power light went out and it shut down. I tried again starting it up and this I got 2 beeps & flashing lights, which I looked up on my laptop and it said "incompatible RAM". So I removed the piece that came with it which just happened to be in the first DIMM 0/J21 slot (the other two pieces I've been using with no problem for over a year), . Started up the machine and it started fine - no problems. Then I shut it down and installed the 3rd (tested & true) piece I've been using in the other QS - it started up and mounted to the desktop, so I ran some software, put it to sleep, etc. Thought I'd figured out the problem, and continued with the transfer of drives, etc. Started up the machine and the red light on the motherboard turn red, fans powered up, it sounded the "bong", then shut itself off. I took the piece of RAM out, put it back in and it'd start up fine, but after a short period of time, it would freeze or shut itself off. I then went off on an extensive period of testing everything piece by piece (short of removing the cpu and the motherboard again) but couldn't find anything I'd done wrong - even thought it was because I hadn't used the 2-pin internal power connector in the power supply, so I removed the PSU again, and hooked it up to the other Quicksilver and had no problems. I even re-ran the Hardware Test (with the bank empty) and got no errors.
What I have noticed is that it'd be okay for a period of time AFTER I'd re-seat RAM in the first bank (pressing it firmly back in) - and then when it'd shut itself off, I'd opened the side door and it'd turn itself on again - I'd move the door a little lower, it'd turn itself off - then as I moved the side door again, back on - as if there was a connection problem. I inspected that bank up close with a magnifying glass and can't find anything physically wrong with it - no pins out of place, or dirt. I don't think I misplaced any screws for the CPU, but when I was done, I did notice that there is a fifth hole on the dual processor board on the extreme right that aligns right above a motherboard screw (when facing the opened computer with the back ports on the far side from you) - and I had only 4 CPU screws at the end. So I'm wondering if there should be a support post and screw between the CPU and the Motherboard, giving "ground" to the fifth copper-ringed hole on the CPU - the lack of which which might be affecting the first RAM bank?? Below is a link to a picture of the dual processor card. I've looked around the internet but can't find a clear picture or indication of whether I've missed a cpu screw or not.
http://www.welovemacs.com/6612591r.html
I thought, before I took everything apart again, including the Motherboard and CPU, I'd find out if aa I needed was to add a support and screw to that fifth hole (which I do have access to) - if that would fix the problem. Or if that fifth screw is not needed, can you suggest something else I've missed - the fact that the machine turns itself on and off as I move the door is pretty weird. It's not the first time I've replaced a motherboard or cpu and I'm pretty careful and thorough, but... Sorry for the length of this and thanks greatly for your help.
Karbon
Note: After a lot of reading and research, I decided upon Noctua fans for the case and power supply, hooked up via adapters to the Molex power connectors, not to the original 2-pin connectors, as I found I got a much higher cfm airflow that way. Also, other than the shutting itself off, I've had no software problems such as kernal panics or such at all. I've been using it for the past couple of days with the first RAM bank with no problems at all - posting this on it now.

Thanks Jon for your response - at least I know I didn't misplace any parts while putting back together. I'm probably going to strip it down again though, it just doesn't make sense. I agree that they can be temperamental but my other QS which only has a 867mhz processor I put into a 2002 motherboard (the old board had issues, so I replaced it with the newer version) has really given no problems since I first assembled it all together almost 2 years ago. And although I haven't completely taken it apart again, I have used it to troubleshoot various pieces of RAM, video cards, etc without any problems. Yes, it's picky about what PCI card goes where, but would just having a different processor on a similar motherboard cause such a glitche? And actually the only glitche has been this RAM bank thing - which does come and go when I move the door, so I must have missed something else when assembling it.
After reading through a number of other posts, I shut down and did another PMU reset with a piece of known good RAM in the bank - but to no avail - it still sounded the bong as if it was going to start, then shut down. So I unplugged it and carefully copper-brushed out the bank and blew it out, then started up with a piece of RAM in the dissenting bank (but none in the middle bank), into Open Firmware doing a NVRAM reset according to the Apple document. I booted into the drive running Leopard, put it to sleep without any waking freeze, then rebooted into the Tiger hard drive which I normally prefer to work from (I don't really see the hype about Leopard - I don't find any benefits from using it - I find it picky and next to impossible to search files with, without a big drama and extra work). Anyway, that's where I am now - typing this - so far, so good, but it's worked okay for a short time before after re-seating the RAM in that bank - a sleep and a reboot will be the defining moment.
Thanks again.

I have a G4 Quicksilver running 10.5.8. Because the oS is on a small hard drive I coied the folders from that HD to a much larger drive via an external USB drive enclosure. I then installed the larger drive as an internal in the G4, but it does not show

I have a G4 Quicksilver running 10.5.8. The OS is on a small HD with no room for adding any info or applications, so I have copied the OS to a much larger HD in an external USB enclosure. I dragged each folder from the small drive to the larger drive. I can access the applications when the large drive is set as an external drive, but when I installed it internally it would not show up on the Start Up Disc utility and I can not boot from it. Did I do something wrong copying the OS? Can anyone tell me how to boot from the larger drive? Thanks

If your machine doesn't support large drives natively (Quicksilver 2002 and later) then doing as you are doing may lead to disaster.
If files are placed on a large drive and those files extend beyond the 128 GB limit of the controller, the first time the drive (internally) accesses data beyond the 128 GB region, the machine will crash and data loss a likely result.

Installing memory in g4 quicksilver

I currenly have 700+ mgs of ram installed on my g4. Each slot is being used. I wanted to pull one of the 128mg's out and install one with more memory that i pulled from another g4. This may seem like a dumb question, but can this cause a problem? Is it possible to lose data or screw up current programs by doing this?

Hi, trouts -
If the 1GHz Dual G4 is a QuickSilver model, there should be no problem.
If it is an MDD (Mirrored Drive Door) model, the RAM will not be usable.
By description, a G4 MDD uses DDR SDRAM, but a QuickSilver does not. More importantly, the RAM sockets in a QuickSilver are for 168-pin modules; the MDDs use 184-pin modules - they are physically not interchangeable.
Pix of the two machines -
QuickSilver - http://www.apple-history.com/images/models/g4_quick.jpg
MDD - http://www.apple-history.com/images/models/g4_mdd.jpg
Note - the above pictures are linked to from the apple-history.com website, a great resource for info about Mac products.
If I were to put memory that's incompatible with my quicksilver, would that particular dimm read as "empty" in system profiler?
If you were lucky. Doing that can also cause a no-boot situation.

Hi, I would like to buy a power mac G4 quicksilver and install the latest hardware i.e. i5, SSD etc., is this possible?

Hi, I would like to buy a power mac G4 quicksilver and install the latest hardware i.e. i5, SSD etc., is this possible?

Intel i5 processor upgrade? No way, no how with the OEM PPC board.
The "Latest" hardware that can be used with the original G4 motherboard is imited to used 7445/7447/7448 3rd party processor upgrades (all obsolete), PCI expansion, AGP graphics (only used as all are obsolete), new IDE drives (capacity support dependant on model year) and PC133 memory.
SATA and SSD can be used, but only with PCI SATA controllers or the specially configured IDE modded SSD from OWC.
PCI controllers will get you about SATA 1 data rates. The adapted SSD on IDE won't get beyond 60 MB/s.
You could use the case and put a mini ITX or micro ATX board in to support the i5. Of course you could then run Windows 7. If you want to run OS X, discussion ends here and begins your use of Google and searching for "x86" and "Hackintosh".

G4 quicksilver 800 - do software restore disks re-install os9 only

Hi there
I've got a g4 800 quicksilver machine. I want to do an disk erase and re-install of just OS9 without the 10.1.3 system that my machine shipped with. I've got a set of restore cds and a single 10.1.3 installer disk, but no single install disk for 9.2.2. ( I may have lost it, but I don't think it came in the box..)
Does anyone know if the software restore disks only re-install OS9 and not OSX ?
thanks
Simo

This Apple Article is intended for 10.2/3, but the process may be similar.
You can use "Advanced Search" to look further....

Quicksilver won't start up from 10.3 install disks...sort of

I have a Quicksilver/Dual 800/1.5G RAM/OS 10.2.8 that I am trying to upgrade to 10.3. I have the retail install disks, but when I try to restart from them, the computer whirs and spins, the power light comes on...then nothing happens. Nothing ever comes up on the screen, good or bad. I need to upgrade to install some newer software. There are supposedly no firmware updates needed. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jeff

Chris:
I just had the same issue on my son's MacBook. As long as you have a wired keyboard, the following will work.
1. Shut down the computer if it is on.
2. Press the power button to start the computer.
3. Immediately press and hold the Command (Apple) key and the "s" key for single-user mode.
4. Type mount -uw / (then press the Return Key) wait for next line to appear with # root/
(there is a space between t and - and another space between w and /)
5. Then Type "passwd" (without quotation marks then press the Return Key)
6. Enter new password (this will be for the root user account) (watch your fingers when you type because it doesn't show what you are typing, then hit the Return Key after you type it.
It will prompt you to retype the new password again, so retype it again and then hit the Return Key) wait for next line to appear...
7. Then Type "reboot" (without the quotes and hit the Return Key)
after the computer restarts and comes up with the login window....
8. Login with any of your usernames just to get the desktop up.
9. After desktop comes up choose System Preferences, then choose accounts. Unlock if you have to and using the username: root ..... and the password you just setup in the single user mode You now should be able to make users including your existing user account an admin.
After you log back in under your real account, it is advisable to deactivate the root user account. To do this,
1. Click the Finder icon in the Dock.
2. From the Go menu, choose Utilities.
3. Open Directory Utility.
4. Click the lock in the Directory Utility window if you need to unlock the utility.
5. Enter an administrator account name and password, then click OK.
6. Choose Disable Root User from the Edit menu.
Hope this helps.
David

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