16:9 question and 24p question

I shot some footage on a Canon xl2 in 16:9 and in 24p.
Regarding the 16:9. I was wondering how to show 16:9 footage on a 4:3 TV with out it getting streched. Can this be fixed in post?
Also regarding the 24p. the Canon XL2 records in 24p then it uses 2:3 pulldown to record to tape (in 60i)
What is the best way to caputre this in Final Cut Pro HD?

DVDSP implementation of 16:9 is clunky in that you have to set the 16:9 settings all over the place (menus, tracks, project, etc.) So be careful. The manual has a lot of information on this subject, to be sure. I'd set everything in DVDSP to letterbox, by the way, not panscan (which is just a crop unless you somehow have encoded pan-scan vector info into your build) unless you've specifcally protected for 4:3 in your widescreen shoot.
Make sure you set your DVDSP simulator to 16:9 so that you can double check everything with some confidence before you burn.
Don't worry about setting up the DVD player - almost all commercial movie DVDs are anamorphic so most people's DVD players are set up correctly - you just choose the type of TV in the DVD player setup menu and the letterbox is automatically applied if it's set up for a 4:3 TV (do you still use those 4:3 sets over there in the US?)

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