24fps footage in a 30fps sequence....oops!

Hi Everyone,
Ok I did a rediculous mistake. I started editing footage shot on 24fps on a DVCPRO camera but in a 30fps sequence. Two questions:
1. Can I change the sequence fps to match the footage? I was rendering the footage once I dropped it into the timeline and only realized after a while that I shouldn't have to do that and then discovered the problem.
2. Will anything happen to the footage if I can't change the sequence fps? If so what is affected once I'm ready to output.

If the footage was shot 24pn, you do have a problem... I'd rebuild the sequence by keeping the old, matchframing each clip then place it in a DVCPROHD 23.98 sequence.
If the footage was shot 24p (no "n") then it's really 29.97 with a pulldown and you shouldn't have to render it in a sequence set to match...
Jerry

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