24p vs 60p for Editing in iMovie

I am getting ready to purchase a fairly high end Sony handycam that supports 24p up to 60p. I have heard a lot about 24p being cinematic but many tout 60p. My question is which will give better results for me if:
I import and edit my movies in 1080p with iMovie
I then put the end result in iTunes and play the movie on my HD TV via a new AppleTV
Will one mode look better than the other considering the above? Are there advantages or disadvantages?

Mike Delaney wrote:
… I have heard a lot about 24p being cinematic …
that is one of the unstopable legends in the net ......
24p is for celloloid, a compromise of quality vs. costs, created in the 1920s, 18 inch per sec of 35mm film.
what has the frame-rate to do with 'film-look'?
first hand - nothing.
'film' look is based upon color, contrast, depth of field and motion-blurr - which IS hard to accomplish, when frame-rate is 60fps. you can acomplish a film-look with any frame-rate ....
2nd: video/TV/Youtube are based upon 25/30fps ... so, any 'cinematic' source needs a) slight speed-up or b) a complicated, pulldown, quality lossy process ...
if you don't publish your recordings in the next Cineplex, stay with 25/30.
60p-recording is nice in a 25/30 project, 'cause you can create super smooth slowmos.
not every delivery media or monitor supports 60p ......

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