3d timeline function

Hi,
How can we extend the timeline duration to more than 10 seconds in Photoshop cs6 extended for a 3D object layer? It seems you can not make it longer than 10 seconds. Other layers can be made longer.
Best regards,
Tommy

I’ve found that if I create a 3d object in CS5, save it as a PSD, and open it in Adobe Photoshop Extended CS6, I’m able to extend the video timeline and drag the workspace for the 3d object to whatever time I need with no problem at all, and I’m no longer stuck at 10s. The 3D timeline/workspace function works as it should.
I’ve only done this with the cone object, which I created in CS5 without a timeline. I haven't tried this with other 3d objects.
So, a workaround for this (bug?) might be, if you can get access to Adobe Photoshop Extended CS5, to create a layered file with all of the 3d objects in it for use in CS6, or to otherwise create 3D objects in CS5 for use in CS6. I'm going to do this whether I intend to animate the object or not, just to be on the safe side, because I don't want to put a lot of time into texturing 3d objects that I know are buggy.
I’ve been very  frustrated because I’ve  wasted so much time trying to figure out why things don’t work as they should in CS6 Extended 3D.  Since the user manual released with this version of Photoshop is incomplete--much of it addresses only the CS5 interface and functions--I never know if unexpected behaviors are the rusult of design changes, or bugs.
I hope this helps.

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    It is very difficult to discern at a glance what, if anything, is selected in the timeline. Transitions always look selected!  Audio tracks should be a different color or otherwise more distinct. There should be an option to show frames only without any text. The icons for track options are small, crowded, and ugly.  Some of the editing icons are too similar, namely edit and ripple edit, although the excellent status bar at the bottom of the application goes a long way towards making up for this.  Simply put, the timeline could use some polish.  Don’t be afraid to steal from Apple on this one.  Keep the tracks; just make it easier on the eyes!
    Conforming audio
    The ability of CS5.5 to work natively with DSLR footage is awesome, but it’s not fully DSLR native if it has to pre-render a major component of the footage before it can play, even if it’s just the audio.
    Media loading
    When launching a project, it can take a long time for all the media in the project to “load” as tracked in the status bar.  I’m sure there’s a reason for this, but since the program is able to determine which source media files are missing before this step (and gives you the option to reconnect them), what is it doing and why must it load every clip in the project, even those not in use by any sequences?
    Page up/page down and arrow key commands
    For starters, the current page up/page down key functions should take the CTI to the next cut in the sequence, not the next cut in the track that happens to be targeted, which can be way down timeline.  In FCP7, I frequently navigated cut to cut with the up and down arrow keys.  I’ve avoided customizing the keyboard commands to match FCP7 --  I would rather endure some hardship and learn the proper Adobe commands -- but this one is flat-out backwards.  The page up/down keys should page through the timeline (left to right and right to left), while the up and down arrow keys should take over the clip to clip function (assuming the targeted track issue is fixed).  Currently, the down arrow takes you to the very end of the timeline, a function already duplicated by and better suited for the “end” key.
    Bin management and clip relationships
    Deleting an item from a bin should not delete it from the timeline, but this is part of a bigger problem, which is the whole master file versus instance versus subclip versus dup clip thing. There aren’t any good indicators regarding the relationships of these clips, and there are few ways to adjust them.  If clips are going to be connected, then they should be fully connected.  For instance, changing the name of a clip in the bin should change it in the timeline.  Adding an effect or trimming should affect the corresponding clips between bin and timeline.  Otherwise, the clips should just be completely separate instances.  I haven’t been able to find an option to turn a clip into an independent instance, although I have to think it exists.  Also, editing an instance of a title does change every other instance of that title throughout the sequence.  I would prefer to be able to edit them separately without having to duplicate them in the title editor.
    Bin effects
    Related to the above, it should be possible to add effects to clips in bins or keep effects on clips added to bin from timeline.  It would also be nice to be able to group effects together in bins for a specific project.  The effects window is better suited for global collections.
    Clearer visual indicators that a clip has been adjusted in the effect controls panel
    Even with the effects panel visible, you have to take a close look to see if there have been any adjustments to the standard settings. An indicator on the clip in the timeline itself would be useful.
    Snapping should include the CTI
    It should also include the blade tool, although the Cmd-K option to cut at the CTI position does make this less of an issue.
    Smoother scrubbing
    Scrubbing is pretty awful.  While this is understandable with native footage, FCPX somehow manages to make this silky smooth at full resolution.
    Color correction shape mask and better color correction in general
    Simplify the primary functions of the 3-way color correction effect.  Keep all the rarely used adjustments out of the way.  I use Magic Bullet for some purpose, but I’ve always done most of my color correction within FCP.  Put the most common adjustments front and center (or up top, as it may be).  The highlights/mid-tone/shadows drop-down is inconsistent in what controls it pertains to.
    FCPX’s color correction is actually one of its more underrated features.  The way it allows you to layer corrections is dead-simple yet as powerful as anything in FCP7 or Premiere.  Stick with the 3 wheels, but rely less on hard to control tonal ranges and add simple keyframe-able shape masks for secondary color correction.
    Better support for shared media access
    AVID is king in this arena and Adobe needs to improve.  It should be possible for multiple editors to safely work on the same project files and share media over a server.
    MINOR ISSUES
    More vertically compact playback/edit control area in source and program panes
    Make room for either a taller timeline or bigger previews.  The virtual scrubber and shuttle controls are the nifty things you drag with the mouse the first time you ever use an NLE and never touch again.
    Larger icons in icon view
    Remember size and position of bin windows
    Playback resolution setting indicator
    There should be an always-visible indicator of the playback res setting in the preview pane that’s easy to adjust without right-clicking.
    Better markers for sequences and clips
    Include colors and more keyboard shortcut control.
    Clip sliding with keyboard commands
    “Opt-,” (that’s Option-comma) should cause a clip collision, not overwrite.  Either that, or “,” and “.” should slide, while “Opt-,” should overwrite.  Opt-arrow should only extend an adjoining clip if in the middle of two clips.  Basically, this whole arrangement should be re-thought.
    Project browser should auto refresh/sort.
    Option-drag on a Mac should always be copy, not move.
    Copy is currently command-drag in the project browser.
    Stop auto-save from interrupting adjustments in timeline.
    Ideally, the auto-save should just be a background function, but it should at least wait until you’re not in the middle of dragging something.
    Add ability to select a cut directly and add default transition.
    CTI control
    If you move the CTI while it’s in play mode, it should continue to play from that spot after you release the mouse, not stop there.
    Show number of frames being adjusted during keyframe adjustments.
    Enable/disable specific effect parameters/keyframes.
    Clearing an effect should clear keyframes as well.
    Or have an option to clear both.
    Position controls
    There should be a preference to make the default position 0.0 x 0.0 (as opposed to 50% of whatever the resolution happens to be), and include a reset button.
    Through-edit indicator in timeline
    And a quick way to join clips, such as a right-click menu option.
    Border controls for images
    Auto save location preference and functionality
    In FCP7 I set the number of auto saves to keep to the maximum of 100 and Premiere can go even higher.  I have always used this feature as an additional backup and archive system, which has come in very handy.  Those files add up, however.  So, I prefer to auto-save to an external drive.  Also, auto saves in Premiere continue to occur whenever there are unsaved changes.  This means that if you make a small adjustment and then leave Premiere for a while, it will keep auto saving the same iteration, which is not only inefficient but leads to my next point….
    Tame the bouncing dock icon on auto save
    While using other apps, there’s no need for the dock icon to bounce every time Premiere performs an auto save.
    More/clearer control over cache locations
    There should also be an option to reset the cache/render file locations to their defaults.
    Export source range
    When exporting, remember the last-used setting of the export source range (or just dump the whole work area thing as I previously suggested).  It’s too easy to cut off a portion of the video when the export defaults back to the work area every time.
    Larger timecode display
    After spending hours and hours editing, the current timecode for clips and sequences is something you want to be able to track without squinting.  Use the letters h,m,s and f instead of colons.
    Simple slug
    Creating a black matte works okay, but it involves a few extra steps.
    Snapping toggle
    FCP allows you to quickly toggle snapping while dragging a clip.  Upon releasing the clip, the snap toggle returns to its original state.  Premiere could use this fucntion, but I suggest something simpler.  Holding down the “S” key should always turn snapping on regardless of toggle state, while releasing it returns it to however it was set before.
    Ability to dock the audio meters along top
    I like to give my timeline as much horizontal space as possible.  I’ve noticed a lot of users keep the toolbar up there, myself included.  I think it would be a good place horizontally aligned audio meters as well.
    More detailed tool tips or hover explanations in preferences
    For example:  The options regarding XMP data should make it clear that the original files will be modified by Premiere.  This caused me problems in other applications.  (After researching these settings, I understand that various Adobe applications use this information to share resources, but it’s still very unclear what the specific benefits are or what functions are lost without this option.)
    More detailed support documents
    The online support documents on the Adobe site very good.  They are nicely arranged and easy to search, but they could be more detailed and offer fuller explanations.  (Peruse the support forums and you will discover all kinds of debates that could have been easily cleared up with one concise line in a help document.)
    Icons and button design
    Icons and buttons are often too small, too similar, and too crowded throughout the interface.  Take some style tips from Apple on this one.
    NEW FEATURE WISH LIST
    Footage auto-analysis:  shot recognition, color correction, and color match
    If only Apple had just added these features and others to the FCP7 framework.  Adobe can do it better though, by using smart folders in addition to the traditional bins that we know and trust (anything besides those dreadful iMovie-style “events”).
    Effect previews
    In the 64-bit era, there has to be a quicker way to preview effects.
    Ability to render in alternate formats
    Namely ProRes or DNxHD.  This would save me considerable time on exports by allowing me to select the “use preview files” option.
    PluralEyes functionality
    Okay, I suppose I should just purchase PluralEyes...again.
    Many, many more effects!
    How about starting with the missing vignette effect?  Just because an app is “pro” doesn’t mean you should have to custom build every effect.
    Many, many more looks!
    Will most of them be cheesy looks I would never touch?  Sure...but give me some templates to play with before I tweak the look down to my exact specifications.
    More speed!
    FCPX, for all its flaws, blazes on any modern Mac.  This probably comes back to hardware acceleration, but while Premiere Pro on a Mac isn’t slow, it doesn’t blow you away.

    You hit the nail on the head, Peter.
    I recently started giving Premiere Pro CS5 a try, and was shocked by the amount of bugs and usability issues. I'm not even going as deep as you in the features, but the most glaring evidence of the lousy interface is that timecode offset bubble that appears everytime you move a clip in the timeline... the bugger appears just under your mouse pointer and won't go away, so if you try to just move a clip down a track quickly, and let go of the button ONTO the bubble, it acts as an obstacle and your drag/drop fails ! seriously, Adobe... don't tell me nobody has stumbled upon this one during beta-testing ?
    Ditto on the autosave that basicly interrupts anything you're doing. No background saving in 2011 ? At first it bothered me to no end so I disabled the autosave. And then a few hours later, Premiere crashed, and didn't even try to recover my work. I lost 2 hours of intricate work. I put autosave back on, and learned to endure the constant, annoying save dialog. And it's not like the save process is instant... even the simplest of projects takes 5 to 10 seconds to save... on an SSD... come on... let me work already...
    Of course, a headache-inducing implementation wouldn't be complete if the autosave didn't trigger even 30 seconds after a manual save. If I choose an interval of 5 minutes, just autosave 5 minutes after a manual save !
    In thumbnail view, you can reorder the clips manually. It's all fine, but you can't reorder them by name or date or length, unless you switch to list view and of course, lose the thumbnails.
    Dragging and dropping a clip in thumbnail view is a chore, because the palette doesn't scroll when the mouse reaches the edge. You know, when you want to move something at the top all the way to the bottom... so you have to drag, let go, scroll one screen, drag, let go, scroll one screen... it's a joke. Even the timeline can do it. Heck, it's a software standard, nowadays.
    Renaming a clip and pressing ENTER takes you back to... the top of the folder !?! How many times I've renamed files that were at the end of the thumbnail view, and for each clip, I had to scroll back down. Time waster.
    Want to locate a clip from the timeline, in the project ? the locate function takes you to the folder. But not to the file, you have to navigate towards it manually.
    Ditto on the up/down arrows. I haven't found a way to jump from cut to cut like in FCP7. How often do I need to jump to the starting/ending points ? much less often than jumping to a nearby cut.
    How come I can't reorder filters in the effects pane ? sorry, I can actually reorder the filters... provided I take them from the bottom and move them up. Moving effects down doesn't work. It's driving me crazy.
    Conforming happens more or less anytime. Without reason. And even if the Media Cache is already full of conformed files.
    When moving the boundaries of the work area, no timecode/offset appears. You need to let go of the button and THEN hover, then you'll know the exact time/duration.
    Try scrolling up in the timeline, it scrolls to the left (which is stupid, it should scroll up). Now scroll up on the tabs of a palette : they scroll to the right !?!
    Can't select an active track. Direct consequence : copy-pasting a clip overlaps anything that's on track 1. Say I want to duplicate clips on the same track... I can't do it.
    Copy-pasting between projects doesn't keep the transitions, only the order of the clips.
    Have you tried doing a frame freeze on a reversed clip and setting proper in/out points for the freeze ? Good luck.
    "Duplicate" command, when you right click on a thumbnail, is way too far from the cut/copy/paste commands at the top, even though they're quite related.
    The other day I transcoded footage with different audio parameters. Just the audio had changed. Upon opening the project, Premiere wanted me to locate the files, which I did. And it failed miserably. Instead, I opened the project ignoring the missing files, and then re-linked them. I pointed Premiere at the first missing file, and had to confirm the replacement. Premiere saw all the other missing files in that folder, and began prompting me FOR EACH SINGLE FILE !!! two hundred and forty three of them, precisely. Can't I have a "yes to all" button in 2012 ? and why does the relinking work inside the project and not when you open a project ?
    That was just from 3 days with Premiere Pro CS5. I still can't believe it. Just to think people bashed Final Cut Pro X, praising Premiere in comparison... Sorry, but they both have serious issues. And Premiere doesn't even have the excuse of novelty.

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