5400 rpm vs. 7200rpm HD for Premiere

Going to switch from FCP to Premiere and I am looking at purchasing an iMac with a 5400rpm HD. The system requirements say it should be a 7200rpm HD. Will Premiere run properly on a 5400 rpm HD or should I consider upgrading the HD?5400rpm vs. 7200rpm

.....before spending a lot of money, if your are SERIOUS about using premiere pro....you MAY want to consider a Windows machine instead of an Apple product. Some people are wedded to the Macs....if you are one of them do a lot of reading first about which machine you buy and how it is configured. An NVidia GPU is a MUST.....multiple hard drives is a MUST, best to have SATA III SSDs and at least 32GB system memory....good luck !

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I actually have the Envy Ultrabook is why I asked. HP provided me one for a testing unit so we here on the Forum could keep abreast of their latest offerings. The mSSD accel cache is amazing. It gives ultrafast boot times and hard drive access. It does make the laptop hard to work with for tekkies, but for most users who will not try to monkey around with the OS, like dual boot with Linux or reload with a clean install of your own Windows 7 and other similar stuff it is a great performer...no need for a 7200 rpm drive.

The big 7200rpm vs 5400 rpm debate

I'm planning to buy a 2.2ghz Macbook Pro. I would get one with 2Gb of RAM and the 160Gb 7200 rpm HD, but now someone I know had already bought the standard config (2.2 Ghz, 2Gb, 120 5400 rpm) through his company but he's selling it because he'd rather use the money he gets from it to buy a 24"" iMac. I would be using the MBPro for iLife, Parellels with Win2K, and possibly Ubuntu Linux. I'm not one to store thousands of songs or photos on my mac, because I'd be buying an external HD for that. He's offering me the MB Pro for a reduced price (a bit above the price of the Black Macbook with a 160Gb HD). I also plan to buy Starcraft 2 when it's released and will also be playing Freespace Open heavily. Will I regret not getting the 7200rpm drive or is the 5400 rpm drive more than fast enough for everything but high-end stuff ?

Probably not. However, if you do regret it the saving should be enough for you to go out a buy one and swap them over giving you the 5400rpm drive to put in an external case.

Option to go from 5400 rpm HD to 7200 rpm? Apple waiting for my phone call.

Hi,
My new 15" Macbook Pro is being replaced with a new laptop due to problems. I am in discussion with Apple regarding confirmation of my current laptop specs. When the HD spec was discussed, 5400rpm 500g, I asked about upgrading to a 7200rpm. Apple indicated that would be possible.
So the question is; is it worth upgrading to the 7200 HD? I heard from a local Apple store that the 7200's can cause heat problems and quick draining of the battery. But they couldn't tell me why. I don't have a lot of confidence in what I was told by then, due to other experiences.
So, 7200 or 5400? Your opinion would be much appreciated. Upgrade cost btw is only $60. So it's not a money issue.
Thanks in advance.
Peter
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Unless its bearings are failing, the hard drive temperature sensor will typically show the lowest reading of all the sensors in a MBP, often by a wide margin. How a hard drive could "cause heat problems" is a complete mystery to me. As for power consumption, most users notice no perceptible difference in battery run time after switching from a 5400 to a 7200 RPM drive. Some manufacturers' specifications show nearly or exactly the same power demands for 7200 RPM drives as for 5400s.
It is likely that you will hear a 7200RPM drive more of the time than a 5400, though it may still be pretty quiet. And it's possible that you will feel more vibration through your hands on the keyboard and wrist rests.
I wouldn't have Apple upgrade the drive, though. I'd save $60 and have them install a 5400RPM unit, and then I'd spend the $60 and maybe a little more besides to get a bigger 7200RPM drive, install it myself, and use the 5400 RPM drive for backup or extra storage. Then I'd have two drives for $10-$30 more than just the 7200RPM drive would have cost me if Apple had installed it.

7200 rpm vs. 5400 rpm for the new MacBook Pro?

Hi there,
I'm ready to buy one of the new MacBook Pros. I was going to go for the 15" 2.0 GH. There's one thing that's difficult to decide. Should I go for the 7200 rpm HD upgrade?
In principle it would seem that the default 5400 rpm HD would act as a bottleneck for the new and powerful CPUs. I heard some people say, though, that the 5400 rpm HDs are fast enough and that I would not notice any difference. Therefore, spending the extra money on a faster HD would be a waste.
There is also the concern about battery life. Would a 7200 rpm HD reduce the battery time considerably vs. a 5400 HD?
Since this would be my work computer, I would not want to sacrifice performance. So, if there is no significant difference in battery life and a considerable gain in performance, I would definitely go for the 7200 rpm option.
What is your experience and/or opinion? I'm anxiously waiting for your response so that I can go ahead and enjoy the new Mac Book Pro.
JM

Thanks for your prompt response japamac. Interesting results. I wonder whether the results for performance, battery usage and temperature for the 7200 rpm that comes as an option in the Apple store would be similar to the ones you got for the 7200 rpm HD you used in your test.
One question, since the difference is quite remarkable in the synthetic tests for "Media Center", I'm curious to know what real life applications would that relate to.
Thanks again for your help.
JM

Can Premiere run on 5400 rpm iMac?

I am in college and new to editing software (and Macs in general). My parents ordered a iMac for me for christmas, with CS6 and FCP7. I just need these to edit short films for myself and friends.
However the iMac is 21.5" which I'm pretty sure only has a 5400 rpm drive.
So, what's the best solution? Return it once its delivered, or can I run the program off the iMac drive while using 2 7200 rpm external drives for, as the tutorial suggests - RAID with one having the captured video/audio and the other with video/audio previews? (Or is there a better solution?)

the thunder something port ( thunder bolt ? ) is supposed to be fast ...and I think you can daisy chain stuff on it...if you google whats available for drives using that port you might be in good shape.... just using internal drive for the OS and programs...
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4619
Then you gotta deal with the ram and graphic card ...whatever.. to get up to speed...

I need to change the internal hard drive for my mac book to a 320 gb, 5400 rpm, 2.5" - suggestions of which to get and where to get it?

I found this: is this the right one?
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great thanks--- other than that is this the right thing to get?

Will using a 5400 rpm drive for the os/application be a problem?

I have an iMac that has a 5400 rpm drive that has FCP and Mac OS on it. Video will be edited from a connected FW 800 drive. Will the 5400 primary drive be a problem?
Thanks.

Did you install this as a replacement drive? AFAIK, iMacs have 7200 system drives.
But to your 5400 boot drive question, there are many FCP users happily editing with MBPs; I'd guess the majority of those laptops are 5400…I know mine is.
Russ

Which is better 7200 RPM HDD or SSD for laptop upgrade to boost rendering times?

This is my current setup
RAM: 8GB
Processor: Intel Core i7-3630QM
GPU: Nvidia Geforce GT 635M - 2GB
OS: Windows 8.1
Storage: 1TB 5400 RPM HDD
I am going to start editing raw footage in premiere pro. I would like to update my laptop to help with rendering times. Tommorow I will be installing 16GB of RAM. Which will be better for storage a 7200rpm HDD or and SDD drive? I am seeing conflicting views on the web. I figured that this will be the best place to ask, since I am upgrading primarily for this program. I appreciate the help.

No clue what would be conflicting between the two. Both the internal operating speed of data handling and the i/o to the system over any sustained period of time are so vastly higher for a modern and large-ish SSD compared to any HDD that it is a total no-brainer. In fact, on the tweaker's page, they point out that for a really monster system, set up RAID's of multiple SSD's. Lacking that, RAID's of four or five linked fast LARGE HDD's which will be noticeably slower than the SSD option but typically better than single HDD's, even using one for each part of the process.
For both the processing of data to present a view on the monitor during editing and during rendering, it's not the "burst" speed numbers that count ... it's the sustained long-term data transfer counts that matter. Which are different from what many think they are ...
neil

My new Pc Build for Premiere Pro Editing. Need opinions!

I have finally saved up enough money for my own Pc build and i need opinions on my parts list. My budget is aprox. $1800-$2000. This is a list I got from a local retail store, prices are taken from Pcpartpicker.
This pc's main use will be editing in Premiere, Photoshop and After Effects, with some Gaming. Also, should I stick with Windows 7 Pro?
Do you guys think this is a good build for the price range? Is there anything i should change?
Many thanks for taking the time to read!
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Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core
$307.27
Motherboard
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Memory
Kingston 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600
$119.98
Storage
Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" SSD
$174.29
Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM
$139.99
Video Card
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660 2GB
$193.98
Sound Card
Creative Labs SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio
$49.99
Case
Cooler Master HAF XM (Black) ATX Mid Tower
$94.00
Power Supply
Corsair 750W ATX12V
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joshweiland wrote:
What's the bad part? Multiple drives or RAID'ing them?
The bad part that Jim refers to is RAID 0-ing them: If only one of those drives goes bad, all of the data on both or all of the drives in that volume get permanently and irrecoverably lost (unless one wants to spend tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars per disk just for professional data recovery).
On the other hand, the only major disadvantage of multiple smaller drives is that they tend to cost more money overall than one larger drive. What's more, some of the smaller-capacity drives are still of older platter layout designs that are significantly slower in sequential speed than most of the larger-capacity drives (and even those that spin at only 5400 RPM instead of 7200 RPM).

Notebook qualified for Premiere Pro CS4

Hi, I was wondering if this laptop would be equipped to use Premiere Pro CS4 on, not so much heavy use. I'll probably get the i7 2620m processor instead assuming it's worth it.
It's a Dell XPS 15
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2nd generation Intel® Core™ i5-2410M processor 2.30 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 2.90 GHz
Operating System
http://www.dell.com/mc.ashx?id=Tech-Spec-Formatting:MDA-ToolTip&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&modalwidth =400&modalHeight=150&ovropac=0&modalscroll=yes&modaltarget=div&modaltype=tooltip&position= bottom&title=Genuine&flip=true&eventType=rolloverWindows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Display
15.6 in HD WLED TL (1366x768)
memory
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hard drive
500gbSATA hard drive (7200RPM)
video card
NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M 1GB graphics with Optimus
For $100 more the laptop has 6gb ram and NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M 2GB graphics with Optimus... would the difference in running PP CS4 be only marginal, or would it result in extremely worthy improvements?
I use a desktop for editing but want to be able to use a laptop while I'm mobile, so I just want to assure I purchase a notebook that won't crash often or run too slow to bear while using PP.
also wondering if a notebook with a drive that's only 5400 rpm would be acceptable if I'm also using an eSata?
Thank you for your insight in advanced.

I second Harm's and John's recomendations. That XPS 15, as configured as listed above, does not meet Adobe's practical minimum requirements for either CS4 or CS5. In fact, CS4 actually demands far more RAM than it it constrained to use (as a 32-bit program), meaning that it will never perform well regardless of the platform because CS4 relies extremely heavily on the pagefile due to the lack of total RAM support.
And even if you plan to upgrade to CS5.5, that laptop suffers from several limitations:
1) The i5-2410M, like all other mobile i5 CPUs, is only dual-core. And given that no desktop dual-core system performs as well as even a mediocre quad-core system, the dual-core laptops will likely be even slower than most of the desktop dual-core systems.
2) The laptop has only 4GB of RAM. Unfortunately, the XPS 15 (in most configurations) does not support more than 8GB total of RAM. This means that you'd have to max out on the total RAM capacity just for Premiere Pro to even run acceptably well - and then, only if you choose a quad-core i7 (as in i7-2xxxQM).
3) Because mobile hard drives are typically slower-performing than their desktop counterparts, consider an SSD instead as the laptop's system drive. But then, you'd have to put up with only one eSATA port and two USB 3.0 ports to connect an external hard drive.
4) The GeForce GT 525M is barely adequate for CS5.x (if you choose to upgrade Premiere Pro to the latest version): It uses only DDR3 memory (current fast GPUs use (G)DDR5 memory), and it has only 96 CUDA cores. As such, it would be nearly two times slower than a fast mobile GPU.
5) Dell often includes a fair amount of bloatware pre-installed on their systems - and the bloatware seriously degrades system performance. What's more, some of that bloatware cannot be easily uninstalled - and some parts of the bloatware are left on the system to screw up overall system performance even if the main bloatware apps are uninstalled.
Put them all together, and you might very well end up with a system whose overall performance ranking is at or very near the very bottom of the PPBM5 results list on the PPBM5 site. In fact, even if you use CS4 and run PPBM4, your ranking would still be very near the bottom of the PPBM4 results list on the PPBM4 site.

Best laptop for Premiere

What Windows Laptop under $1500 can run Premiere effectively?

First we have to know what media you will be dealing with. And something about your workflow.
Here is what I have done and am using at this very moment. I had to cut corners on this laptop to fit it into my budget. In January this year I bought a refurbished ASUS G750JW for just over $900 ( just saw Newegg now has it for only $850) and upgraded the memory from the initial 8 GB to 24 GB by a very simple operation. This computer has provisions for two hard disk drives and the furnished drive was a lousy 5400 rpm drive which has no use in video editing. I cloned the OS and applications to a Samsung 840 Pro 128 GB SSD with the furnished Samsung Magician Software. It was simple. I removed the 5400 rpm drive and put the SSD in its place and the system worked perfectly. I then installed a 256 GB Samsung 840 Pro in the second disk slot. Total cost $1450.
I have just recently edited a hour long three AVCHD camera shoot that worked beautifully. Now you have to remember that there is only one way to edit video on a laptop, you have to keep it plugged into the AC power so that it does not go into battery saving mode and throttle CPU and GPU down. I just checked last night and played the video from the Premiere timeline with playback set to full resolution and in the hour long video it only missed 6 frames.
Also I have found a very high performance USB3 flash drive that is fast enough to be useful to hold the project file and the media for editing. It is the PNY Turbo USB 3 128 GB for only $49 with 190 MB/second Read rate which is faster than 7200 RPM disk drives.

Laptop for Premiere

Hi,
Can anyone recommend a laptop priced around or below $1,000 that can run Premiere Pro cc fairly well?
Will an HP Envy sleekbook with 6gb ram and a radeon hd 8610g graphics do the job? Besides the amount of ram, what else would be crucial to running PRO CC? Someone mentioned a Dell alienware 14 laptop - heavy , priced at $1,000 - as a possibility?

mic333,
Here is what I would suggest you do.
1. Get this ASUS X750JB-DB71.laptop for $909. I do not like the low resolution of the screen (they do offer this series with a full HD screen), but you have a severe $ restriction.
2. Buy two hard disk drives like this 500 GB 7200 RPM drives for $60 each and install the OS and applications on the first drive and use your second 500 GB 7200 rpm one for the projects. The laptop has two internal hard drives. Of course the ideal configuration would be for SSD's but your budget does not allow that. Get an external USB 3 2.5 disk enclosure for the 2 x 1 TB 5400 rpm drives and use them for backup/archiving.
3. Upgrade the memory to 16 GB by installing a 8 GB SO-DIMM in the empty memory slot for about $80. (I beleive that they install one 8 GB module)
So for about $1100 you have a usable laptop with a great Intel fourth generation mobile i7-4700HQ 4-core hyperthreaded mobile processor with an nVidia GT 740M with 384 CUDA cores but sadly the 2GB of video RAM is DDR3 memory and 16 GB of RAM, Incidently, you can acquire a disk drive carrier for the interchangable optical drive for a third disk drive.
For about $250 more than the $909 base ($1150) unit you can get a full HD screen in a refurbished unit. It is a unit that has a better GPU, the GTX 765m. The GTX 765m It has twice as many cores and the video memory is GDDR5 with much,much better memory bandwidth. It has a single 1 TB drive installed currently from Newegg. The BB in the G750JW-BBI7N05 indicates it was original configured for Best Buy where you can get a brand new unit for $1250 plus sales tax.
You just convinced me that I should have one of these and subsequent searching I just found the HD screen refurbished unit at BlinQ.com for $937.89. I may order from Newegg and use their Iron Egg℠ Price Guarantee program

Speed of SSD vs 5400 rpm Serial ATA

On the online Apple store the difference between SSD hard drives and the 5400 rpm Serial ATA drive is said to be in durability. How does the speed of the two kinds of drives compare? I know that 7200 rpm is preferred for video editing because the drive can be read faster. Is there any difference in how fast a 5400 rpm drive and an SSD drive can be read? Apple does not mention this on their website, which I think they would do if the SSD drive was faster (which is why I ask).

That's actually barefeats.com.
SSDs are in their infancy, and there's a huge range of speeds among the many currently available models. All of them will probably be faster for all purposes than a 5400RPM hard drive, but some are slower in some uses than a 7200RPM hard drive. The fastest and most expensive ones are several times faster than any hard drive in most operations, and somewhat faster than hard drives even in the operations that SSDs perform most slowly. If you are thinking of buying a SSD, I recommend waiting a year: prices then will be half what they are now, and speeds will be uniformly higher, expecially among lower-priced SSDs.

Macbook Pro Compare Question for Premiere CS5.5

Hi, I am ready to buy a macbook pro to handle premiere cs5.5 processingwedding films that I edit on my imac 27".
Due to limited budget, one part of me wants the 15" screen but the 13" is $300 less expensive with the 2.8 dual core vs the 2.2 quad core of the 15". Based on the specs below, is it worth the 300 more to get the hard drive power of the 2.2 quad core?
The 13" has 250 more GB hard drive. Will the 13" macbook pro be suitable enough to import DV film, process the final files and burn DVD's quickly and effectively?
13-inch: 2.8 GHz
2.8GHz dual-core
Intel Core i7
4GB 1333MHz
750GB 5400-rpm
Intel HD Graphics 3000
15-inch: 2.2 GHz
2.2GHz quad-core
Intel Core i7
4GB 1333MHz
500GB 5400-rpm
Intel HD Graphics 3000
AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 512MB GDDR5
Thanks!

>not quite clear what minimum of two disk drives and 7200 rpm means?
A 5400rpm drive does not transfer data fast enough for video editing
Trying to use only ONE Hard Drive for Video Editing
You are a music conductor, with a baton that you use to point to various parts of the orchestra... this is like Windows pointing to various parts of the hard drive to do Windows housekeeping or to load program segments for various functions
Now, at the same time and with the same hand... while still using the baton to conduct the orchestra... pick up a bow and play a fiddle... this would be doing something with your video file at the same time as all the other work
You as a person cannot do both at the same time with the same hand
A computer is a LITTLE better, in that it can switch from one kind of task to another very quickly... but not quickly enough for EASY video editing
You need AT LEAST two hard drives (separate drives, never a partition http://forums.adobe.com/thread/650708 for more) with Windows (or Mac OS) and software on your boot drive, and video files on a 2nd drive so the boot drive is not slowed down by trying to do everything
I find that the three drives I use work very well for me, for editing AVCHD video... some people use a 4th drive, so video INPUT files are on drive three and all OUTPUT files are on drive four... I only bought a mid-tower case instead of a full tower case (my bad... but had to fit in the space available on my office desk!) so I use the three drives that will fit
Depending on your exact hardware (motherboard brand & model AND USB2 enclosure brand & model AND external hard drive brand & model) AND the type of video file, you may... or may NOT... be able to use an external USB2 hard drive for SD (Standard Definition) video editing
Steve Grisetti in the Premiere Elements forum http://forums.adobe.com/thread/856208 and Jim Simon in the Premiere Pro forum http://forums.adobe.com/thread/856433 use USB externals for editing
A USB3 hard drive connected to a motherboard with USB3 is supposed to be fast enough for video editing (I don't have such, so don't know) but eSata DOES have a fast enough data transfer for video editing... I have not used the eSata Dock below... for reference only, YMMV and all the usual disclaimers
http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-BlacX-eSATA-Docking-Station/dp/B001A4HAFS/ref=cm_cmu_pg_ t

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