Adding Two more Wireless bridges - Etherchannel

Two facilites are connected via wireless bridge(AIR-BR1410A-E-K9).
we wanted to add wireless bridge at each facility to increase the bandwidth.
So we will have two wireless bridge at each facility connected wirelessly.
and we wanted to achieve it by doing some kind of etherchannel in the switches at each location... will it work ? please advise.
Thanks
Sri

Hi ,
Here is the plan…
• Top left bridge will be Root Bridge for VLAN3 and only vlan 3 traffic is traversed.
• Bottom left bridge will be Root Bridge for VLAN 10 and only vlan 10 traffic is traversed.
• If any one of the bridge/link goes down, traffic will be diverted to other link automatically.
• By doing this we can use both of the links effectively.
Configuration is attached.. please let us know your ideas/// (Or would it work)?
Target device: Wireless Bridge 1
vlan 3  - Root Bridge
Vlan 123- non-root bridge
interface Dot11Radio0.3
encapsulation dot1Q 3
no ip route-cache
bridge-group 3
no bridge-group 3 spanning-disabled
bridge 3 protocol ieee
interface Dot11Radio0.123
encapsulation dot1Q 123
no ip route-cache
bridge-group 123
no bridge-group 123 spanning-disabled
bridge 123 protocol ieee
interface FastEthernet0.3
bridge-group 3
no bridge-group 3 spanning-disabled
bridge 3 protocol ieee
interface FastEthernet0.123
bridge-group 123
no bridge-group 123 spanning-disabled
bridge 123 protocol ieee
bridge 3 route ip
bridge 3 protocol ieee
bridge 3 priority 9000
bridge 123 protocol ieee
bridge 123 priority 10000
Target device : Wireless Bridge 2
vlan 3  - Non-Root Bridge
Vlan 123- Root bridge
bridge 3 route ip
bridge 3 protocol ieee
bridge 3 priority 10000
bridge 123 protocol ieee
bridge 123 priority 9000

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