Adobe drops Linux AIR

It's over, Adobe drops AIR for the Linux platform.
Even though I can understand why, for me this is "the straw that broke the camel's back".
I think "cross platform" in general has been a pipe-dream. It's time to realize that if you want to create good software for multiple platforms, you will have to go native. They say the focus is now on Android and other mobile platforms. It sounds great but in reality the Android AIR runtime isn't all that great, and probably never will be. The hope of having a single codebase that will run on multiple platforms with minimal effort just doesn't exist.

No. Companies don't need to change OS for this. They can always use Google Chrome (for Linux). However why should they discontinue providing a standalone plugin. They can provide a standalone plugin which any PPAPI implementing web browser can use (in the future if firefox or webkit based ones support the API). Why restrict it to chrome?
You're right, but i was thinking if half+ of the web is based on flash, there will be tons of linux users (like me) that couldn't see that half+ of the web content or doesn't want to chage their web browser. If linux is a poorly supported flash platform, why invest money on make linux friendly web apps and games?
Besides Mozilla said that they're not interested in support PPAPI right now...
Last edited by Hyugga (2012-02-23 17:44:58)

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see
http://www.crn.com/sections/custom/custom.jhtml?articleId=192501179
>>
Adobe: No Linux Flash Player Till 2007
By Stacy Cowley, CRN
2:25 PM EDT Fri. Sep. 01, 2006
Impatient Linux users will have to wait till the end of the
year for even a
preview release of Adobe's Flash Player 9.
The company's lead Flash for Linux engineer, Mike Melanson ,
reported this
week in his blog that Adobe won't release any alpha versions
of its Flash
port, holding out instead for a full-featured beta scheduled
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for Linux and
hasn't released a Linux update since mid-2004. Because Flash
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able to view Flash
8 content.
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against one
platform," RedMonk analyst Stephen O'Grady, a Linux user,
gripped in his
blog. The lack of a modern Flash player leaves him unable to
view content on
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ESPN.com.
An Adobe spokesman said the company expects a full release of
Flash Player 9
for Linux in early 2007. Because of the "short" cycle between
Flash Player 8
and 9 -- ten months -- Adobe opted to skip version 8 for
Linux and move
directly to version 9, he said.
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Adobe is making
on Flash for Linux. A full-time Linux user since 1999,
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mentioned in passing
that Macromedia was looking for someone to port Flash Player
to Linux. I
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practices.
> The kinds of systems multiplatform developers use these
days
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graphic processing are difficult to port, as they rely on
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