Adopt, refresh, orphan package: bad style or legit?

Hi guys,
i got a question. Sometimes i stumble across packages which are out of date and orphaned, but i want to test/ temporarly use. So i create my own working PKGBUILD (with minor patches/updates). But i wouldn't be a long term user/maintainer of the package. Is it considered bad style to adopt, refresh and instantly orphan a package, like beeing an unreliable packager? Or is it legit to do so?
Some of my own thoughts so far:
Pro(adopt, refresh, orphan):
Better to have a working but unmaintained PKGBUILD than a broken, unmaintained package
Contra:
Packages become more unreliable/unstable. Afaik there is no version control for AUR packages. Maybe there was a 'deeper' reason for orphaning and ood'ing the package, so a quick and dirty update makes things worse.
Looking forward to your opinions.

ewaller wrote:
Mr.Elendig wrote:since noone ever responds when you email them asking for them to orphan the package
I guess I am a no one

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[community] repo: Movement of orphaned packages to unsupported.

Hi fellow Archers,
With time, the number of orphaned packages in the community repo has steadily increased because of various reasons: TUs no longer had time/interest to maintain a package, TUs leaving the group, etc. Currently there's about 300 orphans in [community] and the TU group doesn't have currently the time or interest to maintain all of them. We finally came to the conclusion that it would be better to have maintained PKGBUILD in AUR than stale packages in community. So, in the next weeks, we'll gradually move some (all?) of them to unsupported. To ensure that these PKGBUILD get adopted by regular users, we'll be handing out orphaned community packages to users who are willing to maintain them. So if you are interested in one or more orphaned community packages, request it in this thread and it'll be moved to unsupported for you to adopt it. We'll be accepting requests until April 4th but it could be extended if necessary. Hopefully, this will drop the number of orphans to a manageable amount. If not, more orphans will be moved to unsupported.
Once a package is moved to unsupported, I can't guaranty that someone else browsing the AUR will adopt it. So you should adopt it as soon as it's moved to unsupported. If someone else request a package that you want before you, as a matter of courtesy, please give that person a few days to adopt the PKGBUILD. After that, you can adopt it. Also, once you adopt a package, you'll probably need to update it as some of these packages are out-of-date or the arch and license fields are missing.
"Reserved" orphans: DaNiMoTh is currently a TU candidate and, if he gets voted in, is willing to adopt the following orphans: mozplugger, sportstracker, gobby and rsnapshot. You may request them but they'll remain in the community repo until the end of the voting period to minimize package movement.
Snowman

The community repo cleanup is completed.
The current orphans will remain in community and have been fixed/updated.
I've added myself to the notification list so I'll be aware of any
comments.
Some packages were completely removed from community/AUR:
schism: obsoleted by schismtracker
gst-plugins-png: Arch no longer support gstreamer 0.8
mysql-administrator: obsoleted by mysql-gui-tools
mysql-query-browser: obsoleted by mysql-gui-tools
multisync: This app has been actually splitted in two other apps
(multisync-gui and msynctool) whose PKGBUILDs are in
unsupported.
Other packages that were also in current/extra were removed.
Packages that were moved to unsupported:
If you want to browse the list with the AUR interface, do a search with me
(Snowman) as submitter and look for the orphaned packages. Several of them
have found a new maintainer in unsupported.
Here's the list:
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Orphan package in community

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[SOLVED]How to get orphaned packages that aren't optional dependencies

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Last edited by UnsolvedCypher (2013-05-22 00:16:47)

Running
# pacman -Rns python-docutils cdparanoia
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The scourge of orphan packages

In the official repositories, there are some orphan packages.
Maintainer: None
Is there a way to bring attention to these packages?
Bug report? I think it isn't the right way.
Flag out-of-date? There are orphan packages (example: "wicd") which are flagged out-of-date from months (February). If an orphan package come flagged out-of-date, is the notification received by anybody?
Thank you.
EDIT: Maybe this thread was better suited in the "Arch Discussion" section, I clicked on the wrong hyperlink
Last edited by ekerazha (2008-07-20 20:21:40)

ekerazha wrote:
In the official repositories, there are some orphan packages.
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Bug report? I think it isn't the right way.
Heh. http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/10964
NO dont file bug reports on all those. I will close them. Although feel free to turn the above bug into a megabug for packages without a maintaner.
ekerazha wrote:
Flag out-of-date? There are orphan packages (example: "wicd") which are flagged out-of-date from months (February). If an orphan package come flagged out-of-date, is the notification received by anybody?
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% which orphans
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Last edited by graysky (2013-05-16 22:03:18)

Adopted Orphan package. Problems updating it. [SOLVED]

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http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25158&detail=1
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# Contributor: selir <[email protected]>
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Last edited by seliur (2010-07-18 21:18:36)

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Orphan packages in Extra?

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Last edited by ezzetabi (2010-02-19 10:13:08)

the thing is that any other maintainer can update that but is not even mark out of date.
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Last edited by wonder (2010-02-19 10:55:17)

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