Advice on whether to use ASM for 11gR2 databases

Hi all,
Hope I can get some advice here for ASM.
I'm going to upgrade all my 10.2 EE databases to 11gR2, and I will not be running RAC, only single instances and Data Guard. My storage is HP SAN. I wonder if it is worth the trouble (in our small shop) to run ASM.
Currently, my backups are done from a SAN perspective only, meaning that whatever is in the SAN storage is backed up.
How do I back up the files in ASM? Do I have to copy the backupsets to file system first ?
Thanks!
June

fjfranken wrote:
For small databases performance gain is zero, you only add complexity where a normal file system would be sufficient.Disagree.
Also, the reasoning is not valid. ASM works at device level. Not at cooked file system level.
This means that ASM directly uses the LUN (seen as a local scsi device) of the SAN. See LUN. Use LUN. That simple.
Not using ASM means that the o/s needs to be updated and configured. That LUN needs to be mounted. It needs to be formatted. The mount needs to be made permanent (via fstab or whatever).
This makes ASM less complex and cooked file system more complex.
Also consider that the mount and its contents are exposed to other s/w and processes and users. This raises issue such as access control and security - and the possibility of errant s/w trashing a database file because it happens to be running on the wrong mount or wrong directory.
This is not the case with an ASM diskgroup as it is not mounted and not visible as a normal cooked file system.
And if a cooked file system feature needed for a non-database files, an ACFS volume can be created in the diskgroup and mounted as a clustered file system. So it is not as if you loose the option of having a cooked file system on a LUN, when using ASM.
Database size has nothing to do with the decision between cooked file system or ASM when using SAN LUNs. Ease of use, manageability, and feature set, have. From this perspective a cooked file system for database storage is old and clunky and insecure, and ASM is flexible, performant, scalable and secure.

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<datafilesList>
<TablespaceDatafileAttributes id="<OMF_DEKINS_DATAFILE_0>">
<id>1</id>
</TablespaceDatafileAttributes>
</datafilesList>
</TablespaceAttributes>
<TablespaceAttributes id="INDEX_DATA">
<online>true</online>
<offlineMode>1</offlineMode>
<readOnly>false</readOnly>
<temporary>false</temporary>
<defaultTemp>false</defaultTemp>
<undo>false</undo>
<local>true</local>
<blockSize>-1</blockSize>
<allocation>1</allocation>
<uniAllocSize unit="KB">-1</uniAllocSize>
<initSize unit="KB">-1</initSize>
<increment unit="KB">-1</increment>
<incrementPercent>-1</incrementPercent>
<minExtends>-1</minExtends>
<maxExtends>-2</maxExtends>
<minExtendsSize unit="KB">-1</minExtendsSize>
<logging>true</logging>
<recoverable>false</recoverable>
<maxFreeSpace>0</maxFreeSpace>
<autoSegmentMgmt>true</autoSegmentMgmt>
<datafilesList>
<TablespaceDatafileAttributes id="<OMF_INDEX_DATA_DATAFILE_0>">
<id>1</id>
</TablespaceDatafileAttributes>
</datafilesList>
</TablespaceAttributes>
<TablespaceAttributes id="SYSAUX">
<online>true</online>
<offlineMode>1</offlineMode>
<readOnly>false</readOnly>
<temporary>false</temporary>
<defaultTemp>false</defaultTemp>
<undo>false</undo>
<local>true</local>
<blockSize>-1</blockSize>
<allocation>1</allocation>
<uniAllocSize unit="KB">-1</uniAllocSize>
<initSize unit="KB">64</initSize>
<increment unit="KB">64</increment>
<incrementPercent>50</incrementPercent>
<minExtends>1</minExtends>
<maxExtends>4096</maxExtends>
<minExtendsSize unit="KB">64</minExtendsSize>
<logging>true</logging>
<recoverable>false</recoverable>
<maxFreeSpace>0</maxFreeSpace>
<autoSegmentMgmt>true</autoSegmentMgmt>
<datafilesList>
<TablespaceDatafileAttributes id="<OMF_SYSAUX_DATAFILE_0>">
<id>-1</id>
</TablespaceDatafileAttributes>
</datafilesList>
</TablespaceAttributes>
<TablespaceAttributes id="SYSTEM">
<online>true</online>
<offlineMode>1</offlineMode>
<readOnly>false</readOnly>
<temporary>false</temporary>
<defaultTemp>false</defaultTemp>
<undo>false</undo>
<local>true</local>
<blockSize>-1</blockSize>
<allocation>3</allocation>
<uniAllocSize unit="KB">-1</uniAllocSize>
<initSize unit="KB">64</initSize>
<increment unit="KB">64</increment>
<incrementPercent>50</incrementPercent>
<minExtends>1</minExtends>
<maxExtends>-1</maxExtends>
<minExtendsSize unit="KB">64</minExtendsSize>
<logging>true</logging>
<recoverable>false</recoverable>
<maxFreeSpace>0</maxFreeSpace>
<autoSegmentMgmt>true</autoSegmentMgmt>
<datafilesList>
<TablespaceDatafileAttributes id="<OMF_SYSTEM_DATAFILE_0>">
<id>-1</id>
</TablespaceDatafileAttributes>
</datafilesList>
</TablespaceAttributes>
<TablespaceAttributes id="TEMPORARY_DATA">
<online>true</online>
<offlineMode>1</offlineMode>
<readOnly>false</readOnly>
<temporary>true</temporary>
<defaultTemp>true</defaultTemp>
<undo>false</undo>
<local>true</local>
<blockSize>-1</blockSize>
<allocation>1</allocation>
<uniAllocSize unit="KB">-1</uniAllocSize>
<initSize unit="KB">64</initSize>
<increment unit="KB">64</increment>
<incrementPercent>0</incrementPercent>
<minExtends>1</minExtends>
<maxExtends>0</maxExtends>
<minExtendsSize unit="KB">64</minExtendsSize>
<logging>true</logging>
<recoverable>false</recoverable>
<maxFreeSpace>0</maxFreeSpace>
<autoSegmentMgmt>true</autoSegmentMgmt>
<datafilesList>
<TablespaceDatafileAttributes id="<OMF_TEMP_DATAFILE_0>">
<id>-1</id>
</TablespaceDatafileAttributes>
</datafilesList>
</TablespaceAttributes>
<TablespaceAttributes id="UNDOTBS1">
<online>true</online>
<offlineMode>1</offlineMode>
<readOnly>false</readOnly>
<temporary>false</temporary>
<defaultTemp>false</defaultTemp>
<undo>true</undo>
<local>true</local>
<blockSize>-1</blockSize>
<allocation>1</allocation>
<uniAllocSize unit="KB">-1</uniAllocSize>
<initSize unit="KB">512</initSize>
<increment unit="KB">512</increment>
<incrementPercent>50</incrementPercent>
<minExtends>8</minExtends>
<maxExtends>4096</maxExtends>
<minExtendsSize unit="KB">512</minExtendsSize>
<logging>true</logging>
<recoverable>false</recoverable>
<maxFreeSpace>0</maxFreeSpace>
<autoSegmentMgmt>true</autoSegmentMgmt>
<datafilesList>
<TablespaceDatafileAttributes id="<OMF_UNDOTBS1_DATAFILE_0>">
<id>-1</id>
</TablespaceDatafileAttributes>
</datafilesList>
</TablespaceAttributes>
<TablespaceAttributes id="USER_DATA">
<online>true</online>
<offlineMode>1</offlineMode>
<readOnly>false</readOnly>
<temporary>false</temporary>
<defaultTemp>false</defaultTemp>
<undo>false</undo>
<local>true</local>
<blockSize>-1</blockSize>
<allocation>1</allocation>
<uniAllocSize unit="KB">-1</uniAllocSize>
<initSize unit="KB">128</initSize>
<increment unit="KB">128</increment>
<incrementPercent>0</incrementPercent>
<minExtends>1</minExtends>
<maxExtends>4096</maxExtends>
<minExtendsSize unit="KB">128</minExtendsSize>
<logging>true</logging>
<recoverable>false</recoverable>
<maxFreeSpace>0</maxFreeSpace>
<autoSegmentMgmt>true</autoSegmentMgmt>
<datafilesList>
<TablespaceDatafileAttributes id="<OMF_USERS_DATAFILE_0>">
<id>-1</id>
</TablespaceDatafileAttributes>
</datafilesList>
</TablespaceAttributes>
<RedoLogGroupAttributes id="1">
<reuse>false</reuse>
<fileSize unit="KB">10240</fileSize>
<Thread>1</Thread>
<member ordinal="0" memberName="OMF_1_REDOLOG_MEMBER_0" filepath="{ORACLE_BASE}\oradata\{DB_UNIQUE_NAME}\"/>
</RedoLogGroupAttributes>
<RedoLogGroupAttributes id="2">
<reuse>false</reuse>
<fileSize unit="KB">10240</fileSize>
<Thread>1</Thread>
<member ordinal="0" memberName="OMF_2_REDOLOG_MEMBER_0" filepath="{ORACLE_BASE}\oradata\{DB_UNIQUE_NAME}\"/>
</RedoLogGroupAttributes>
<RedoLogGroupAttributes id="3">
<reuse>false</reuse>
<fileSize unit="KB">10240</fileSize>
<Thread>1</Thread>
<member ordinal="0" memberName="OMF_3_REDOLOG_MEMBER_0" filepath="{ORACLE_BASE}\oradata\{DB_UNIQUE_NAME}\"/>
</RedoLogGroupAttributes>
</StorageAttributes>
</DatabaseTemplate>

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