After saving as multitrack session no sound output

Hi,
we had to do a little audio drama for music at class. Therefore we used a simple microphone and first recorded the texts with the program Audacity, but then we wanted to work with a better program so we tried Adobe Audition trial.
So everything worked great until we saved our project as an multitracksession and copied all files located at \User\Documents\Adobe\ to another pc.
Audition asked for the source file, we copied also, and of course we selected the file and Audition didn’t prompt any error any more but when we want to play the whole project we can just hear one of the 4 soundtracks..
Can anyone of you help us ?
Sry for bad English... Help in German is also very nice.
Greets ScaraXX

It might be that since it is on a different computer, you may need to reset the audio routing in the mixer panel.

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All the same, at bottom this is an Adobe problem - third party conversion utilities shouldn't be needed to move projects between Adobe's own software. It's a shortcoming of the CS4 & 5 suites, in that file-conversion approaches like that of AAT are necessarily destructive and thus preclude dynamic file exchange. I mean, would you buy a new car if the salesman said the fenders fall off above walking speed, but that you could fix the problem with $100 of duct tape?
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