Alternatives to Leopard Server

Given the number of glitches , bugs , Documentation fuzziness and a few more subjects we are considering dropping mac os X server has a production platform on newer systems and we are looking for Working stable alternatives to os X Server, i hope we can come back to os X server in the future but until then we will have to switch to something else.
Any suggestions will be more than welcome and studied in detail....
I am sorry if this sounds off topic in the Mac os X Server forums but since we are getting so little feedback about the many issues plaguing mac os X Server from Apple in Europe (yes even through support calls that keep mentionning "we have an update coming for the last 2 months) none of them as resolved the issues we are facing.
Thanking you for your time and attention and waiting to read from you soon ,
Best Regards,

Camelot wrote:
At the end of the day Mac OS X Server is not going to be the best tool for every job.
Server Admin does a reasonable job for common setups, but there are going to be a lot of people who step outside of the box that Server Admin lives in. I know I'm one of them. Whether that means you're no better off than you would be on another platform depends on what your priorities are. If a unified GUI is important to you and Server Admin isn't up to your needs then Mac OS X may not be the best option. If, on the other hand, you don't mind stepping away from Server Admin in the cases where you need more than it offers you still get the other benefits of OS X.
As we are in the 'web' portion of this forum, I'll only address my thoughts on the web tools. I agree with most all that Camelot and others have said. Particularly where one doesn't want to rely on one server for all services -- but even that is predicated on load over all else. Surely a 10 person company with one website, email and off-topic services such as file sharing in a mixed environment could be completely happy with a high-end mini or any Xserve for all services.
However, part of what Apple is selling is a web-capable server. At 10.5.2, OSXS is NOT a great GUI-managed tool for web services. Not only does it still have bugs with regard to Site management and choices the Server group made with configuring httpd (as well as an anemic php/mysql implementation), there are significant limits to using services such as ftp, mail, even listserves.
I remember thinking when they hired the likes of Eric Z from Starnine (as it was in the throws of building Webstar 4 and being sold to 4D) that maybe he would bring some fine ideas to the Server group. He wasn't technically proficient like real coders such as CJ, but he had some understanding of what Webstar had in terms of strengths. To date, I've not seen a lot of evidence that those strengths have made it to the OSXS product. They didn't in Tiger, they aren't there in Leopard 10.5.2 (yet).
Where is a simplified GUI admin for supporting multiple FTP accounts to the same home/site (or subpaths within a site)? Where is a decent GUI for admin of php4 settings, even something as simple as upping the .ini file size limits? Where is a decent GUI for supporting multiple domain names in the listserve product? Why does performance cache redirect to an alternate port when an iWeb user uploads oddly-crafted XML tags and the php interpreter parses the page incorrectly? Where is there user-assignable admin rights to email accounts for a specific domain so a sysadmin can delegate account management to a client?
The list goes on and on. I'm appreciative of what Apple has been able to do with much of the 'web' part of the GUI, but there are many, many features that can be GUI-ized (and should be) if Apple want to continue to push the paradigm that the machine should not get in the way of the user. I've a stack of 20+ year old Addison publications where Apple spent much money and time pushing the user experience concept. To have the unix folks push back and state that only CLI is the answer is -- NOT the answer. It is not how Apple should expect even sysadmins to need to go. And hey, I'm plenty comfortable myself using CLI. But my customers should not have to come to me with every small change for feature sets that can easily be added to the GUI, either under the SA, the WGM, or elsewhere in the GUI toolset.
OSXS is not really a mature Webhosting server. It is a server that takes the bare bones of Apache, of older PHP tools (why not offer updated modules or ancillary modules for PHP5?) and mySQL tools (same question). Their own scripts cannot properly or reliably migrate a 10.4 installation with Apache 1.3 to Apache 2.x in 10.5. Even the error logs are too obscure to offer much assistance tracking down the actual failures when they occur. Same has already been said of the DNS module.
I'm trying to stay in bounds here in my critique -- as an enterprise server, OSXS is coming along. It has a lot of maturation to undergo in the 'web' realm, as it does in collaborative sharing (iCal/contacts/etc.). Let's hope by continuing to purchase and deploy it, we can make enough of an impact that Apple grows the product accordingly and doesn't abandon it as they did the Xraid stagnation.

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