Anamorphic PAL DV to H.264 (Pal 16:9)

Hi all,
First I'll confess to being a noob to video editiing etc. and have the following issue:
*The Setup:*
Recording = MacPro (OS 10.6.3), capturing into Final Cut Pro via a ADVC300 Firewire unit. This Set to capture DV PAL 48k Anamorphic.
Playback = Mac Mini connected to Sony EX503 via DVI>HDMI converter. (Sound out put through optical).
*The Process:*
Basically new to Final Cut & Compressor so appologize for ignorance.
Basic premise is this I initial record programs on our SKY HD box. The ones we want to keep I capture on the MacPro via the ADVC300. Edit out all the adverts etc in FCP. Then Export out the edited DV stream (as DV video).
Then Drop the edited DV stream into compressor and compress with the following settings:
Name: Untitled QuickTime Movie 1
Description: No description
File Extension: mov
Estimated size: unknown
Audio Encoder
IMA 4:1, Stereo (L R), 48.000 kHz
Video Encoder
Format: QT
Width: 720
Height: 576
Pixel aspect ratio: PAL CCIR 601 (16:9)
Crop: None
Padding: None
Frame rate: 25
Frame Controls: Automatically selected: Off
Codec Type: H.264
Multi-pass: On, frame reorder: On
Pixel depth: 24
Spatial quality: 100
Min. Spatial quality: 25
Key frame interval: 25
Temporal quality: 50
Min. temporal quality: 25
I then copy onto the mac mini and play back on the TV via Front Row.
*The Problem:*
Recording is fine as is editing and outputing the edited DV stream to a QT file. However when I drag onto compressor and compress with the included settings to create my small play back file is were the problem lies. The final H.264 file plays fine in quicktime player (looking wide screen), both on the MacPro and Mini. However when played through Front Row the aspect ratio is a 4:3 (but slightly smaller in the frame) image instead of 16:9.
Now the original capture by FCP is a DV - PAL, 720 x 576 (768 x 576), which looks squashed.
After editing and saving from FCP the new edited stream is DV - PAL, 720 x 576 (1024 x 576), and displays 16:9 in quicktime.
However after compression the files is ; H.264, 720 x 576, Millions AAC, 2 channels, 48000 Hz and looks fine in quicktime play but not in Front Row. Incidentally the edited DV streams look fine in front row.
Any advice on what I need to do to make the final H.264 file a PAL 720x576 (16:9) which displays correctly through Front Row.
Thanks
Steve
By the way the only thing that has seemed to work is using apples 'apple tv' settings for SD anamorphic but this works on the NTSC 480 lines (which means loosing rez) or 'Apple TV' HD 720 (16:9) but this looks too pixelated.
Message was edited by: Cacus

I've also used Quicktime Pro, Export and it's still slow ...
/Reine

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