Aperture Vault and Time Machine

Does anyone know how this will operate ?
Will the Aperture Vault be TM 'unaware' ?
Roger

I guess there'll be a new 'vault' mechanism, as TM backs up your hard drive and vaults typically reside on another drive. whether or not TM can work with other drive I don't know.
Perhaps vaults will remain largely unchanged and be used for recovering entire projects or libraries, and TM will allow you to go back through previous version of the current file, or restore individual images that you may have deleted.
Regards
Steve

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